0:00:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:03.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi, everyone. I’m Leslee.

0:00:05.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Before we get on the call, we were talking about, I have like a scratchy throat. So [laughter] I hope it doesn’t sound too bad while we’re trying to record. But anyway, we are going to be talking about the 5/1 Profile. So we’re getting into, which we mentioned in the last episode, we’re getting into the the left angle Profiles and that there there are only four Profiles. So today we’re gonna be talking about the 5/1, and it’s actually gonna be the last day that we’re talking about Line one and Profiles. I’m gonna talk about, excuse me, I’m gonna talk about Line five, and then Leslee’s gonna talk about Line one. And then we may talk about people, excuse me, we know who have that Profile. I’ll mention a few people, famous people who have the 5/1 Profile.

0:00:51.4 Lauri Wakefield: So, the Profile, just to go over it again, is basically the role that you’re here to play to carry out your life purpose. So the left angle Profiles are all about transpersonal karma. Basically, they need other people to fulfill their purpose in life, and they’re also more so than either the juxtaposition or the right angle, they’re more impacted by connections with other people in their lives. And any connection with another person can like significantly alter their path. So that’s just something to kind of be aware of if you have a left angle Profile. They also have a strong relationship with karma, and basically they’re here to clean up. This is kind of funny, Leslee, they’re here… ‘Cause you and I are both right angle Profiles. Okay? So they’re here to clean up the karma that’s being created by the right angle Profiles. Wow. Leslee.

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0:01:51.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Wow. Wow.

0:01:52.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, exactly. So, as I mentioned before, there are only four Profiles, four Left Angle Profiles, and it’s about a third of the population that has a Left Angle Profile. With the Left Angle Profiles, the first number is always the… Is always larger than the second number. So the 5/1 Profile is one of the most common Profiles at about 14.3 per… 14, 14.37, if you wanna be exact. 4.3… 14.37% of the population has that Profile. The Line 5 is the Heretic and the Line 1 is the Investigator. So the Line 5 is Transpersonal Karma, and then Line 1 is Personal Destiny. So the Line 1, we’ve talked about it a few times, so I’m gonna I mean both, we talked about the Line 1 too.

0:02:46.4 Lauri Wakefield: So we’re probably gonna share a few things that we’ve already covered before, but we’re gonna talk about them anyway. And then we’re gonna put the two together. So the Line 5 is… Sometimes it referred to also as the Teacher or the General. And out of all the upper trigram lines it’s the… It has the most Transpersonal Karma. And as I mentioned to you before about the Left Angle, they need to interact with others to fulfill their karmic purpose. So they operate in a projection field, which means that they’re projected upon, but they also, in like a… In an unconscious way, they attract the projection. It’s not anything that they’re doing to project it, it’s just part of who they are. They attract that proje… Pro… Excuse me, that projection. And that’s why it’s sometimes referred to as being seductive. Like it’s not in any like weird way. It’s just that they just draw naturally.

0:03:52.5 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway, the projection that other people put onto them usually is that they can fix things or they can change things or they can make things better. They’re like, kinda like, the savior. And a lot of times people that project onto them… I shouldn’t say a lot of times, but sometimes people who project on them, like they have unrealistic expectations of what the Line five person can actually do. So it’s not really fair to the Line 5 person. Sometimes the things that… Because people make assumptions, so, you know what I’m saying, Leslee?

0:04:29.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hm. Yeah.

0:04:33.9 Lauri Wakefield: They assume. And then it’s like if the, if the Line 5 doesn’t meet what they think they can do, like the other person thinks they can do, it’s like they’re disappointed. [laughter] It’s not the Line 5 person’s fault, you know?

0:04:44.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:04:44.1 Lauri Wakefield: So it’s not like they’re walking around saying, “Oh, I know how to do this, I know how to do that, and I know what the solution is.” It’s just that other people are assuming that they have it. So the Line 5 is like the Line 2 in the sense that they like privacy. They need alone time. They need time to just kind of retreat. But it’s different for… And even though we’re not talking about the Line 2 in a Profile today, I still wanted to talk about the differences between them. So the Line 2, they’ll seek privacy when they’ve been like heavily projected upon, and it’s like, it’s draining to them.

0:05:22.9 Lauri Wakefield: It’s something that they just wanna get away from for a while. So they retreat for that reason. And the… So the Line 2, like, they retreat sometimes, well, they retreat like to regenerate, but they also retreat to just kinda like, they just wanna do their own thing, you know what I mean? Like, they don’t, they don’t wanna be bothered, they just wanna do it. They don’t, and they’re not paying attention to who’s watching them do it. They’re just doing it. So the Line 5 it’s not about that, their retreat is that they’re away from other people, but yet they’re still paying attention to other people. Does that make sense?

0:06:00.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hm. Yeah.

0:06:00.9 Lauri Wakefield: They’re still looking outward, but they’re removing themselves from it.

0:06:06.5 Leslee Wegleitner: The 2 is like a natural state of just that’s where they are.

0:06:10.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yes. Yeah.

0:06:10.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:06:11.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So anyway, yeah, ’cause the Line 2, like they… Well, the Line 5 is like, they just wanna retreat and observe, so anyway… They’re here to teach what they’ve experienced in life. They’re like karmic mirrors where a lot of times people see in themselves what they need to heal in themselves or they see in themselves like things they may not like about themselves or you know what I’m saying? Things that, I don’t know, maybe weaknesses they think they have, they’ll project it onto the Line 5 person. Do you ever see that with their…

0:06:49.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. I do. Yeah.

0:06:56.6 Lauri Wakefield: They’re karmic mirrors and then a lot of times people look to them as something that can help heal things in themselves. They’re designed to teach people through the lessons that they’ve learned in their own lives, and people do look to them for advice and just like we talked about that they assume that they can resolve things or solve problems. They also sometimes assume that they know things that they don’t know. [laughter] And then… Isn’t that funny? . [laughter]

0:07:31.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:07:32.1 Lauri Wakefield: And then also because the projection, they might be accused of doing things that they didn’t do or saying things they didn’t say. [laughter] We talked about that before. It’s like you said this and you said that, and then you look at them like, no, actually you’re the one who said that. [laughter] You’re the one who did that not me, right?

0:07:54.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:07:57.0 Lauri Wakefield: But then another thing I’ve noticed and it’s not something that I read so much when I study the Profiles or the Lines, but they can… Line 5 people can actually project onto other people. So it’s reversed, have you ever noticed that?

0:08:12.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yes, very much.

0:08:13.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, ’cause I know I have, and I’m not gonna name names or anything, but I have someone in my family who’s like that, [laughter] it’s just like what I finished saying, it’s like you look at them and it’s like no, actually you’re the one who said that even though you might not say it out loud, you think it, right?

0:08:29.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Right. [laughter]

0:08:29.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. It’s like I’m not gonna stand here and defend myself for something I didn’t say or didn’t do. Right?

0:08:34.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Exactly.

0:08:36.0 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway, for that reason, just because of that projection, sometimes that negative projection, some of the relationships that they have with people, it’s not so easy, like when you’re talking about family, but just people outside the family that sometimes those relationships just need to be temporary. They need to separate themselves from it because it’s just too much projection that it’s not fair for them to have to… It’s not healthy either if it’s… Especially if it’s things that I don’t know are just interfering with your happiness or…

0:09:08.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Right, yeah.

0:09:10.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, but the interaction that they have when people do project onto them, I’m all over the place right now, but when other people do project onto them, things that they need to heal within themselves, it actually gives them an opportunity for them to see things in themselves that they don’t see because it’s like a mirror back. It’s like they’re looking to the 5th Line person and the 5th Line person, and without saying or doing anything, just their energy is mirroring back to that person.

0:09:42.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:09:43.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, so Leslee. Go ahead.

0:09:46.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, I was just gonna say, being in the Conscious position, they might be a little bit more or able to be aware of it.

0:09:53.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:09:53.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Verses the Unconscious, but still…

0:09:55.3 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:09:55.7 Leslee Wegleitner: The projection is still there, yeah.

0:09:58.2 Lauri Wakefield: So what Leslee meant by that is that because the Line 5 is on the Personality side or the Conscious side of the chart, that it’s a Conscious versus the Unconscious or the Design side, which the Line 1 is in on the Design unconscious side.

0:10:15.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:10:15.9 Lauri Wakefield: So you wanna talk about that Leslee?

0:10:18.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, sure, so in… [laughter],

0:10:22.1 Lauri Wakefield: Can you talk today Leslee?

0:10:24.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, I dunno know. We’re gonna find out [laughter] Oh my goodness. That was a good start. So individuals with the Unconscious Line 1are natural investigators and they do a lot of research and they thrive actually on gaining the solid foundation of information. And that’s what creates some to be such great teachers and they enjoy sharing this wealth of knowledge with others. However, they also get very uncomfortable in situations that there’s a lot of gray areas, which then again drives them to do more investigation and seek answers. Which creates some to be on more of a path to develop strength through their mastery of their knowing.

0:11:06.4 Leslee Wegleitner: So they truly do… They enjoy this introspection, long hours of introspection and find strength in actually establishing themselves as sought after authorities, because this is what gives them the sense of control. And through the investigative quality of gaining the knowledge they attract loyalty from others.

0:11:27.6 Leslee Wegleitner: So in combination with this 5, it naturally… Oh, I just lost my thought. Okay, so in combination with this 5, which naturally is others through the projection field that we were talking about that they do have the answers, brings that Investigator of the Unconscious 1 to want to even know more and want to be able to share in great depth. So it’s a really nice balance. So the 5 brings people in just naturally, and then this Unconscious 1 will have this depth of information to pull from and to share with others. And that’s what this 5/1 is all about. And connecting to this depth of knowledge just creates this loyalty because they do know what they’re talking about. And then the recognition from the peers because of the 5 that’s naturally just happens. They’re able to share what they know and that builds loyalty because they usually are spot on and do know what they’re talking about. But on the flip side of the coin, they can be… The Unconscious 1 can be insecure and they may feel like they don’t know enough.

0:12:39.9 Leslee Wegleitner: So it’s important for them to be aware if they’re hiding behind the investigative process for too long, and to kind of discern if their fear that they don’t know enough information or being inadequate of the information is keeping them from sharing their knowledge. Especially if this is like the authority in the unconscious, it’s important to find that balance with the avoidance of drawing too much attention to yourself until you really feel secure in the knowing. And that falling into the trap that you don’t know enough and stopping yourself from actually sharing the information that you do know.

0:13:17.6 Leslee Wegleitner: So yeah, it’s just kind of that discernment of when you do know enough that you’re able to share and then, if you don’t know just don’t share, I guess. So yeah I mean that’s kind of all I have on that Unconscious 1.

0:13:43.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I was… Go ahead, were you gonna say something else? ‘Cause I was just gonna add to that like when we put the two Lines together, are you finished with that or?

0:13:50.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, I’m finished with the 1 and then…

0:13:51.3 Lauri Wakefield: And you’re gonna talk about…

0:13:53.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, go ahead and you share first on the 5/1 and…

0:13:55.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, good, so I mean I might… I don’t know probably repeat hopefully not repeat a few things that you said but anyway okay. So the Line 5 is the Heretic projected upon and like as people who can solve the problem then the Line 1 is introspective investigative wants to understand how things work. Excuse me, now my throat’s getting all scratchy again. So the Line 1 is about universalizing the foundation of what they built through their investigation which is kind of what you were talking about and then the 5th Line holds on to all that information as the projection field around them builds. And then like when the time is right, that’s when they can share what they know with the group or the collective. So like it’s not like on a small scale at all. It’s not like one-to-one or anything like that, it’s like it’s collective, it’s like… You know what I’m saying? It’s like on a big scale. So yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.

0:14:52.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:14:52.9 Lauri Wakefield: So you wanted to share because you have… I have some people in my family too, but why don’t you go ahead and share and…

0:15:00.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, well…

0:15:00.9 Lauri Wakefield: Go ahead.

0:15:00.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, one thing I was just gonna share about the 5/1 Profile is they’re really here to shake up the norms for the betterment of society. And so they tend to be a little resistant to conforming to the same old ways and structures. And that 5 actually kind of… This 5/1 they’re wired to take the heat from sharing these new perspectives also.

0:15:25.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, that’s kind of interesting.

0:15:25.2 Leslee Wegleitner: So it kinda… Yeah, so that’s kind of their purpose and just a like a little tip that I heard about the 5/1 also is it’s important to like place appropriate boundaries with others who approach them for help. Because it’s common for these Heretics the Line 5s to overextend themselves in service. So that’s the other thing that they can just kind of be aware of. But I have several people with the 5/1 which is kind of interesting because I don’t have many 5s in my chart. But our family members, so… And what I find kind of fascinating which is kind of another layer to this whole thing is the 1s that are emotionally or Solar Plexus defined and those that are not, and the difference of that 5 because the 1s that are Solar Plexus emotionally defined, don’t do as well with the projection field. I mean they take it a lot personal.

0:16:29.7 Lauri Wakefield: More sensitive.

0:16:30.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, way more sensitive and there’s other areas in the chart with that too, but the one that I can think of which is actually my sister, she’s almost got the whole centering circuit too and she’s not emotionally defined and she’s a 5/1, and it’s kind of like she just barrels on through I mean you know…

0:16:50.2 Lauri Wakefield: She’s not affected by it, yeah.

0:16:51.3 Leslee Wegleitner: No it’s amazing I mean like people will like just say things that are like really mean and I’m sitting there and I’m just feeling for her and she’s just like whatever and she goes on her…

0:17:01.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, exactly.

0:17:01.9 Leslee Wegleitner: And I’m like I want to be more like that. But yes, she’s definitely able to just keep beating to her own drum. I mean it’s just… There’s a lot more in the chart for that, but I do believe it’s at 5/1 because people do project onto her I see it a lot, in good and bad ways. And then she is very knowledgeable in her trade of work and so she has people, friends, extended friends that are always calling her for information about that, and that’s probably that Line 1. But that’s the only really area that I see with her that that one kind of shines in knowing the depth of information and the way she’s a pretty footloose and fancy free gal. So yeah, that’s kind of what I was gonna share.

0:17:57.0 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, so I’ll just mention some famous people and I actually did break it down into the different types which I think always makes it kind of interesting, because you’ve got the Profile, but it’s gonna be experienced differently and perceived differently depending on the Human Design type, you know.

0:18:17.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:18:17.5 Lauri Wakefield: So for Generators 5-1 Profiles is Ben Affleck and Cate Blanchett, for a self-projected Projector, Kristen Stewart she was in, what was that show she was in, you know what I’m talking about?

0:18:32.8 Leslee Wegleitner: I don’t. I’m not good with…

0:18:33.6 Lauri Wakefield: I don’t know what… I mean it wasn’t anything I ever watched, but she was in some like I wanna say like some vampire thing or something I don’t know. Yeah, I don’t know but anyway. Miranda Lambert she’s a Mental-Projector, yeah she’s a singer.

0:18:50.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Singer.

0:18:51.3 Lauri Wakefield: And yeah Mental-Projector that’s super interesting because that’s a very, very rare… Just a very rare type.

0:19:00.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:19:01.8 Lauri Wakefield: I think it’s maybe 2% to 3% of the populations. Not very many. It’s not a lot of people. Actually, Splenic Manifestor, Jennifer Aniston, Ra Uru Hu.

0:19:15.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, that’s right, yeah.

0:19:18.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. He’s the founder and messenger of the Human Design system which is part of what we’re talking about with everything that we record each week. It’s from the Human Design system. And then…

0:19:31.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Which is great. Great Profile to put that. I mean he just screamed the 5/1. [laughter]

0:19:39.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, definitely.

0:19:41.0 Leslee Wegleitner: So…

0:19:41.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, ’cause I went to just see how he’s described or what they… I dunno if I would say title, but it was Founder and Messenger. So, then, Reflector, Rob Lowe, the actor.

0:20:00.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Okay.

0:20:00.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yep.

0:20:00.9 Lauri Wakefield: Interesting, huh?

0:20:02.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Rob Lowe. Yeah, that’s interesting. Okay.

0:20:03.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:20:05.1 Leslee Wegleitner: He’s had some stuff. [laughter]

0:20:06.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, I mean Reflectors are fascinating though. It’s ’cause you don’t really see them. And with the other Profile I’ve looked… Because I look for people with every… From each of the four groups and the Reflectors, that’s hard to find people. Like that people would know…

0:20:24.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Sure.

0:20:24.4 Lauri Wakefield: You know what I mean? It’s not that people…

0:20:26.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:20:26.6 Lauri Wakefield: But it’s just that people wouldn’t know. So anyway, before we got in the call, we were talking about… And we weren’t gonna say anything, but I think I’m going to say something, because we’re not… It’s not gonna be released today, but we mentioned something about… It’s actually a coaching guide. So it’s for coaches and it’s a free guide. And then for anybody who’s listening who’s a coach, we’re gonna put a link in the show notes and when it’s ready, I’ll go back in and add it to the show notes. On the website too, it’ll be listed or if you’re not a coach and you know a coach who may benefit from it, we’d appreciate it if you’d share it with them if you think that they would find it useful. So anyway, that’s gonna wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining us today. In our next episode and the roles we’re here to play series. Gosh, Leslee, we’re about ready to wrap it up, aren’t we?

0:21:27.4 Leslee Wegleitner: I know.

0:21:27.9 Lauri Wakefield: After this one there’s only three left. So in our next episode, we’ll discuss the 5/2 Profile and then that will be the last time we’ll talk about Line 5 in the Profiles. So if you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under Podcasts Episode 35. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into The Roles We’re Here to Play, please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:22:00.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everyone.