0:00:00.7 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today, I’m Lauri.

0:00:03.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi everyone, I’m Leslee.

0:00:05.9 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway, Leslee, I was telling you before we got on the call that I might talk about a couple of things before we actually get into the 3-5 Profile, and I don’t know, you know that my husband and I just moved, right?

0:00:19.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hmm.

0:00:21.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, the past couple of months have been crazy, just like crazy, crazy and this past week and a half has been super crazy. I was thinking yesterday, I had to go out to do something and ’cause I don’t know anybody down here, and I don’t know, it’s like, I don’t know people in the neighborhood, I don’t know where places are and stuff like that, so I was driving [laughter] on the way back, I was driving and feeling sorry for myself, I almost wanted to cry. I was like, “I just wanna go home.” [chuckle] “I wanna go back to… ” Not that I necessarily wanted to go back to where we were living because that’s a place, I mean, I didn’t consider that forever anyway, but just like to what’s familiar [chuckle] and like, I don’t know. But anyways, so that was the…

0:01:06.6 Leslee Wegleitner: I remember that and I only moved 30 minutes from where I live. It wasn’t even that far, but still it changes everything. It’s just crazy.

0:01:14.9 Lauri Wakefield: Oh my gosh, it’s crazy. It is crazy. It’s like you feel different. It’s like, “Who am I? [laughter] You know what I mean?

0:01:22.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, you feel lost. [chuckle]

0:01:23.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, like “Who am I in this environment… Totally, but you know what I’m saying, it’s like you’re just like, Gosh, like it’s… I don’t know. But anyway, so we’re gonna talk about the 3-5 Profile today, I’m gonna give an overview of it, and then we’ll talk about the parts of the 3-5 Profile, the Line 3 and the Line 5, and then Leslee is gonna talk about it in its highest expression, which will be one following strategy and authority, and then I’m gonna name a few famous people who have the 3-5 Profile, and Leslee, you actually know quite a few people who have the 3-5 Profile in your life.

0:02:01.3 Leslee Wegleitner: I do, yeah. I have a few of them, yeah?

0:02:05.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So, that’ll be interesting, just to see how it plays out in real life. Just for a quick summary, the Profile in our charts is what gives us insights into the Roles We’re Here to Play to accomplish our life’s purpose. The 3-5 Profile is one of the most common profiles, about 14.19% of the population has the 3-5 Profile. It’s really interesting, ’cause I feel like when we’ve gone, like each week, it’s almost been one of the least common or one of the most common, have you noticed that?

0:02:39.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:02:40.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, it’s interesting.

0:02:40.7 Leslee Wegleitner: I think it is that way though. If you look at that graph, it’s like they’re all consistent on top, yeah.

0:02:49.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I think too, there is probably a pretty even break down between, like some are 2-3% and then some are maybe 14-15%, you know what I mean? So it’s like either or, there’s not any that are like 6-7%, you know what I’m saying?

0:03:06.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Right. Right. Yeah. [laughter]

0:03:07.8 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway, the 3-5 Profile is basically Line 3 is known as the martyr and Line 5 is known as the heretic. So basically, people with a 3-5 Profile are designed to interact with the world through their own experimentation and then sharing with others what they’ve learned in the process. So, let’s look at Line 3 for a minute. Line 3 is in the lower trigram and lower trigram is basically inter-focused, they’re not really concerned with sharing with the world, it’s interpersonal, so it’s just something that their goal is not to share it with the world. But let’s look at some of the characteristics of Line 3, so they are here to make mistakes basically to learn through their mistakes, not necessarily through their mistake, but through their experimentation, but through that experimentation they make “mistakes”, or things that other people might consider failures or mistakes, but it’s just part of their life process, that’s something that they have to do.

0:04:26.2 Lauri Wakefield: But what can happen sometimes because other people can be critical of them just for doing things that they do, like that other people would consider mistakes, but it’s because they’re conditioned by it so they may fear making mistakes because of that, but the experimenting that they do and that they learn from, it’s not right or wrong, but it’s important for them when they are experimenting with things to follow strategy and authority, because that’s where it’s gonna be either the right experiment or the wrong experiment, so that’s pretty important. And then Line 3 is like an inverter, but it’s like in the physical plane, they learn what works and what doesn’t work through their experimentation. And it’s important for them to extract the valuable lessons that they’ve learned, even though it’s not… Like I said a few minutes ago, they’re not here to necessarily share it with others, but in the Profile itself, the Line 3 is gonna share through the Line 5. So they also, though, do feel like they’re kind of, I don’t know if you would say brave or bold, but it’s like they’ll do things that other people are afraid of doing and kind of like, I don’t know if I would say Guinea pig, but it’s like, they’ll just do things and other people will be like, “Oh, I’m not gonna do that.”

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0:05:57.4 Lauri Wakefield: You know what I mean? Like oh, gosh, no way, I’d never… Here you go ahead. [laughter] Do you remember that life serial commercial? When they’re like, “Here, you try it. No, I’m not gonna try. You try it” and it’s like, “Lets Go get Mikey” [laughter] “He”ll try it, Mikey tries everything, right?” [laughter]

0:06:13.0 Leslee Wegleitner: He’s going to try it. [laughter]

0:06:15.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And Mikey is like a little boy in the family and they’re like “Okay” Put the ball in front of me, I”ll try it, right? But anyway, through that experimentation, that’s what gives them the wisdom that they can use to guide or advise other people. And another thing too, is that because of the personal experiences that they have, they’re true personal experiences, and it can be helpful to other people when they share it because they’ve been there and they know what it’s like. So, that carries some weight. And then Line 5 is known as the heretic, and Line 5 is in the upper trigram which is outer directed. So they’re here to externalize things and they need to interact with other people, and that’s part of fulfilling their karmic purpose, they just need to interact with other people. So, a few characteristics of the heretic, they’re kind of nonconformist and they’re projected upon by other people. Like people, they’ll look to Line 5 people for advice or guidance or to solve problems. Line 5 is sometimes referred to as the teacher or the savior or I’ve heard it, there’s another one that they use, the general, remember that? The general?

0:07:37.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hmm. Right.

0:07:39.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So anyway, they have a projection field around them and what it does is it attracts people to them who believe that they can fix something or teach them something or like fix a problem, resolve a problem. But sometimes people, when they project onto them is because they assume that the Line 5 person knows things that they don’t really know. And then like in the last Episode, I had talked about this for a minute. It was that they can be accused of doing things that they didn’t do or saying things they didn’t say, but they’re a karmic mirror for other people. So it’s like people who are trying to either heal things within themselves or it’s things that they just need to see in themselves. So anyway, when you put the 3-5 Profile together, what they externalize is what they’ve learned through their life experiences to help find the solution to a problem or to fix something. Does that make sense, Leslee?

0:08:44.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yep, Yep.

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0:08:46.2 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. So, you wanna expand on what I just talked about?

0:08:50.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Sure, sure. I just kind of broke it down, some of it’s gonna be repetitive and most of it will be, but so like the Line 3 and the highest expressions, is to discover how to navigate in the material plane. And there are many discoveries through bumping into things and through the trial and error process like you were talking about. And they are the most adaptable and resilient Line because of this bumping in, it’s kind of how they’re energetically supposed to be here on the planet. So, and they’re able to quickly pick themselves up and just unable to share what did or didn’t work. So that’s kind of part of that resiliency. And people kind of like you were talking about, they’ll do things that people are avoiding to do, but in that process it kind of makes them those pioneers and that’s how they make these new discoveries and are able to share their wisdom in the end. The other thing is they’re the bonding strategy for them, it’s bonds made and broken, and it’s because that Line 3 if something is not working, so that’s part of their relationships or careers or whatever, they will just break the bond. They won’t think twice about it, they can’t just say, Nope, this isn’t working, I gotta move on.

0:10:16.9 Lauri Wakefield: Gotta go, see ya. [laughter]

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0:10:22.1 Leslee Wegleitner: But then the lower expression of the third Line, they can be like ungrounded. And so in their trial and error process, they can be kind of more accident prone or they just continue to make mistakes because they’re not grounded enough to have the awareness that, Hey, this wasn’t working [laughter] and this change they just keep reliving it.

0:10:42.9 Lauri Wakefield: I hope nobody noticed, right?

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0:10:45.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. [laughter] And then also they kind of can be an escapist tendencies and they can run away from their problems. So once they get that discerning factor for those 3s. And with the 5s, the low expression of the 5s is, they can be paranoid at times and suspicious of the projections. And because of not understanding what the projection truly is and their role in that. Then they get feeling that they’re invisible and they’re being used by people, and once a problem is solved, then they can just kind of step away. But they’ll feel like the person just kind of dropped them and they become invisible again. And then they take it personal and ’cause their projection is they’re reading it as that like, oh, they just wanted to use me and now I solve their problem and they’re gone.

0:11:42.9 Lauri Wakefield: Right. And the cycle repeats itself, right? [laughter]

0:11:45.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, yeah. And then the highest role for the fifth Line is that they can really bring unconventional and practical solutions to any situation or to a situation if it’s within their strategy and authority. And this is where they can really step into great power and conviction and speak out and stand up for what they believe. And it is one of the most rebellious types because of this resistance and able to have the courage to step in and express, even though if it’s an unpopular truth that they can still take the heat and speak their truth, which is really interesting. So you think about that 3 being resilient and that 5 being resilient, and it’s really…

0:12:28.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, it’s Powerful, yeah, it can be.

0:12:30.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, it’s one of the hardest profiles, but if they understand it, it can be really, quite beneficial for all around. So with the public role of the 3-5, the Pioneer Messenger, they’re really here to go where others are too afraid to go and bring back their wisdom and share unpopular truths and provide practical solutions. And then what I have for the leadership style of the 3-5, they’re rebels with drive and potential and they’ve developed a flexibility to take on many different roles when needed and have the potential to save the day in times of crisis with the practical solutions. And this earns them loyalty from others. And essentially they’re the rebels who step up to in times of crisis to bring order and provide practical solutions and wisdom to help us move through difficult times. And I know it’s fascinating because when I started looking and realizing how many 3-5’s I have in my…

0:13:31.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:13:33.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Actually I just did a reading for someone that was a 3-5, my sister’s a 3-5, a really good friend is a 3-5, and our granddaughter’s a 3-5. And I see this. And in the reading, it was like her whole chart, everything conveyed this 3-5, I mean, it was all over her chart. And to get to really understand, wow, you are here to kind of plough through and be a pioneer, and to beat to your own drum, and to step in when it’s correct for you or not.

0:14:12.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I don’t mean to interrupt you, but I was gonna say like…

0:14:14.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Please go ahead.

0:14:16.0 Lauri Wakefield: We were talking, or you were talking about your sister, and you said that through it she has become thick skinned from…

0:14:24.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:14:24.7 Lauri Wakefield: Which is a good thing, right?

0:14:26.8 Leslee Wegleitner: It is. And it’s amazing, the people in her workplace, she always says they come in and ask me to do such and such, and she’s like, “Well, I gotta look up how to do it too.”

0:14:38.3 Lauri Wakefield: Right. But they don’t know, yeah, they assume she knows. Yeah.

0:14:42.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, or she knows all the facets of the whole business, of everything. They can be in a wholly different department and they’re coming to her for… So that’s fascinating. And then I do have a friend that’s a little bit more wounded from it, so I’m kind of watching that. She does feel alienated and she does feel invisible, so that’s kind of fascinating to realize while the projection kind of beat her down. And then now with my granddaughter, oh my goodness, I’m already seeing the mother kind of wants her to be the wild child, and she’s two and a half, granted two and a half year olds are gonna… But she’s very courageous and just no fear. And talk about bumping into things, and it’s just watching her, it’s amazing, I’m like, “Whoa, there it is.” She’s a generator, so she’s very, very active too. But so fun, it could be so nurtured, and so it can go one or two ways, I can see it right now. It’s like, wow, she could be really… ‘Cause she speaks her mind already at two and a half, she’s like, “Stop talking or don’t touch me.” [laughter] She does not have a qualm about saying how she’s feeling, her facial expressions are just priceless. So yeah, it’ll be really fun to watch that all blossom.

0:16:17.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I was just gonna say something, my husband, he actually just tried calling me. Whoops. [laughter] I had to end the call without talking to him. [laughter] Okay. Okay, so we’ve talked about the Line 3

0:16:39.1 Leslee Wegleitner: This is 1-3?

0:16:40.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, the unconscious.

0:16:47.8 Leslee Wegleitner: The 1-3.

0:16:48.0 Lauri Wakefield: Is the 1-3.

0:16:48.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:16:49.2 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. So yeah, the 3-5 that we’re talking about right now, it’s the Line 3 in the conscious personality side. And then in the 1-3 Profile, it was in the unconscious, so it’s just kind of interesting how the Line depending on whether it’s conscious or unconscious is… So yeah, your granddaughter is probably very aware of the Line 3, ‘Cause it’s in her conscious side. Even though she’s young, you know what I mean? ‘Cause sometimes it’s like, Oh, my God.

0:17:29.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, and the other thing with the 5 being unconscious, so if I think of my friends, it’s like they’re very aware of their trial and error, they’re very aware of bumping into things and having mistakes. But it’s a projection feel that they’re confused about, they’re feeling invisible, or why are they keep coming to me? You know what I mean? So it’s kind of interesting where people that I know that are 1-3’s, obviously, if they fall down a lot or something like that, they’re very aware of bumping into things. But if I think of my son and the unconscious, it’s like his whole career is based on bumping into things.

0:18:14.8 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:18:15.4 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s amazing. For a joke, he’ll try this and then it turns into a huge money maker, which is the material plane. And so is totally bumping into. If I think of all of his different career choices, it’s kind of like he just falls into it in a way, but he’s out there in that one, you know, talking about it and inquiring about different things and what’s the next exciting thing out there to do.

0:18:43.1 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:18:43.6 Leslee Wegleitner: But then he literally bumps into it, but I don’t know if he’s all that conscious that he’s doing what he’s doing, where the people that I know with the 3-5’s are very aware of their errors. And then unfortunately, that 5 projection that people are bringing up like, “Well, why did you do that?”

0:19:03.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:19:04.7 Leslee Wegleitner: You know, Wow, that was a really interesting turn in your life that you created. [laughter]

0:19:10.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. You know what’s weird too, and I don’t mean to interrupt you again. So with the Line 5, we’ve talked about being projected upon, but Line 5 people can also project things on other people, have you found not to be true?

0:19:21.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:19:22.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, isn’t it weird? ‘Cause my daughter is a Line 5, and I don’t know, she’ll say things sometimes and I’ll look at her, I’m like, “No, you’re the one who does that or said that or whatever.” You know what I mean?

0:19:32.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:19:32.6 Lauri Wakefield: It’s just… Yeah, I don’t know.

0:19:34.2 Leslee Wegleitner: And is she in the conscious 5?

0:19:36.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:19:36.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Or conscious 5?

0:19:38.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, she’s a 5-1.

0:19:40.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. ‘Cause now that you say that, ’cause I have many 5-1’s too, and it seems to be more of the 5-1 are in the unconscious. But I’m sure unconsciously they could be doing it too, I don’t know.

0:19:51.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I don’t know. Yeah, I was just gonna say that was my Line 4, it’s like, I’m like, whatever, [chuckle] I’m not gonna start an argument over it, it’s like I’ll know in my head, but [chuckle] she doesn’t really know.

0:20:02.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Exactly.

0:20:02.5 Lauri Wakefield: She doesn’t need to know that I know, right? ‘Cause she doesn’t know.

0:20:05.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:20:06.3 Lauri Wakefield: Sometimes when people do things like that, they don’t realize that they’re doing it even though it’s a conscious side.

0:20:12.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Very true. Yeah.

0:20:16.9 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway. So did you wanna talk about about the 3-5’s in your life anymore?

0:20:23.9 Leslee Wegleitner: No, I think it’s all I’ve said. Yeah, bless them.

0:20:29.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I was just gonna… Yeah, I was just gonna…

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0:20:32.9 Lauri Wakefield: I’m sorry. I’m still thrown off right now ’cause of that phone call. Anyway. So I was just gonna mention a few famous people who have the 3-5 Profile. Adam Driver, he was in Gucci, do you ever see that movie with Lady Gaga?

0:20:48.7 Leslee Wegleitner: No.

0:20:50.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, he was one of the main characters. He was actually the Gucci in there. And then Carrie Fisher who was Princess Leia in Star Wars, is that right? Yeah.

0:21:01.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay, yeah.

0:21:02.1 Lauri Wakefield: I don’t know, I never saw that movie, but yeah, she was in there. Larry Fitzgerald, which unless you’re into football, you probably wouldn’t know, he was a wide receiver for the Arizona Cardinals. Amy Adams is an actress, and she’s been in a ton of stuff. And then Orlando Bloom, it was in Pirates of the Caribbean, among other things. So that’s quite a few actors and actresses, huh?

0:21:24.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:21:24.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And then was Liz Cheney, if anyone’s familiar with politics in the United States, she was one of the Republican, she’s in the House of Representatives, I think. John Legend and John Cusack, is another actor. And then Brooke Hogan who is the daughter of Hulk Hogan the wrestler.

0:21:47.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay.

0:21:47.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, and then Joel Osteen, he’s a Christian preacher, Christian minister.

0:21:53.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, yeah.

0:21:54.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So quite a few people.

0:21:57.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. I know.

0:22:00.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, so I think we’re probably finished, right?

0:22:03.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yeah, we can wrap it up.

0:22:05.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yep. So that’s gonna wrap things up for this Episode. Thanks so much for joining us today. In our next Episode In The Roles We’re Here to Play series, we’re gonna discuss the 3-6 Profile. If you’d like to see the show notes for today’s Podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under Podcast Episode 31. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into The Roles We’re Here to Play, please be sure to subscribe to our Podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:22:37.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everybody.