0:00:02.8 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome, thanks for joining us today, I’m Lauri.

0:00:52.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi, everyone. I’m Leslee.

0:00:54.8 Lauri Wakefield: So today we’re gonna talk about the 2/5 Profile. We’re gonna give an overview of it and then we’ll talk about the parts of the 2/5 Profile, the different Lines, so Line 2 and Line 5. And then we’ll talk about the Profile and its highest expression. And then, list a few famous people that have the 2 Profile. And then, I don’t think either one of us have anybody like friends or family that has the 2/5 Profile.

0:01:23.8 Leslee Wegleitner: No.

0:01:24.5 Lauri Wakefield: So we’re not probably gonna be able to talk from actually interacting with people who have it. So anyway, to give a quick summary of the Profiles. Profiles are what give us insights into how we’re meant to accomplish our life’s purpose. The 2/5 Profile is one of the least common Profiles, only 2.28% of the population has the 2/5 Profile. So when you look at the separate Lines, the Line 2, is known as the hermit, and Line 5 is known as the heretic. When I was getting my notes together for this, I was like, look, ’cause the heretic, the word itself is associated with, and I’m pretty sure that it has, like it goes back to people with Christianity, people who were opposed to Christianity or talked against it, they were considered heretics. So I looked at the definition just so that it would make sense to me in the Profile itself, because obviously when we’re talking about Profiles, it’s not gonna [laughter] have anything to do with religion, so the word heretic, a couple of the synonyms I found were Nonconformist and Dissident, which is someone who believes, teaches or advocates something that is opposed to accepted beliefs.

0:02:50.2 Lauri Wakefield: So Line 2 is in the lower trigram, which means that it’s inner focused. And then Line 5 is in the upper trigram, which means that it’s outer focused. In the lower Trigram, they’re more self-absorbed and then the upper Trigram is transpersonal and outer directed. Both of the Lines in the 2/5 Profile are projection Lines, but they’re projected upon in different ways. And it’s interesting, but I’ll get into that when I’m talking about the two separate Lines, so the Lines 2, the hermit, this might be some of the stuff that we’ve already talked about. And I’ll try to just add a few things that maybe weren’t mentioned or maybe mentioned things in a different way. But Line 2 is about natural gifts and talents that people are born with, and there’re things that often the person who has the Lines 2, they’re not aware of them, it’s just part of who they are. I mean, it’s something like those talents and those gifts, they enjoy doing those things and it’s like they don’t really think it’s a big deal. It’s something like other people will notice them, like, oh geez, this person has this talent or this gift. And that’s part of the calling out process.

0:04:14.7 Lauri Wakefield: But with the person with the Line 2, it’s not a big deal with them, it’s something they enjoy the process. They like being able to use those gifts and talents, but they also like to be able to use them where they’re not being observed by other people, it’s like they just wanna do it. They don’t wanna be recognized for it. They just wanna be able to enjoy doing the whatever it is that talent that they have. They can be shy, and I already said this, but they don’t understand why it’s such a big deal. And then they can become immersed in what they’re doing. And yeah, they don’t wanna be observed. They also need their own alone time to do their own thing without being observed or interrupted by others. And they also need time alone to process things. Other people will call them out of their shell, and by that time, they’re usually ready to interact with others again. So the Line 5, the heretic is sometimes referred to as the teacher. They’re designed to teach people through lessons they’ve learned in their own lives.

0:05:24.7 Lauri Wakefield: Other people often seek their advice and they also may assume that the Lines 5 person knows things that they don’t know and that’s part of the projection. People with Line 5 in their Profile carry the most transpersonal karma. They operate in a projection field, which draws others to them by giving off the energy that they’re able to fix things. They have the solution that someone’s looking for and other people may have unrealistic expectations about what they’re able to actually fix or solve, problems they’re able to resolve. Line 5 people often have things projected onto them, things that they’re not really actually part of. Well, okay, so the person who’s projecting onto them, they’re saying, okay, well, you’re this way, but [laughter] it’s actually the person who’s projecting onto the Line 5 person is who’s that way? Do you know what I’m saying, Leslee?

0:06:22.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hmm, I do.

0:06:23.5 Lauri Wakefield: It’s like saying just like a…

0:06:25.5 Leslee Wegleitner: A mirror?

0:06:25.9 Lauri Wakefield: What’s that?

0:06:26.4 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s like a mirror.

0:06:27.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, definitely a mirror.

0:06:28.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, a mirror. Mm-hmm.

0:06:29.5 Lauri Wakefield: But it’s funny because it’s like, well, you’re this way and you’re this way, and the Line 5 person’s like, no, you’re the one who’s that way. [laughter] Like, whether they say it out loud or they think it in their edge, you know.

0:06:41.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yeah.

0:06:43.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So, another thing is that they can be accused of doing things they didn’t do or saying things that they didn’t say or behaving in ways that they’re not behaving, which is what I already said. But yeah, the karmic mirror, that’s what it’s known as. So anyway, people generally, they’ll project onto them the things that they need to heal or resolve in themselves, and so for the Line 5 persons, sometimes relationships that they have with people because of their projection, they can be temporary or short term because it’s just not healthy for the Line 5 person and then like the second Line, the Line 5 people go through times when they wanna retreat or hide from the world, but unlike the second Line, it’s not because they’re wrapped up in their own process and doing their own thing, it’s because they’re auto directed and designed to notice things outside themselves and to interact with others. So, it’s more of like they retreat because of the projection of like people just thinking that they have the solution all the time. But they do get breaks from other people because like the way that they’re, I don’t wanna say aura, but their energy, it’s like they just have this air about them that, and it’s not anything that they do, but like where other people, they see them as people who, they have the answer, they have the solution, or they can fix the thing.

0:08:31.7 Lauri Wakefield: So, there are times, it’s not like all the time, so the time when people aren’t trying to have them fix something or resolve something, they can retreat and just regroup a little bit and just be out of there, ’cause that can be kinda stressful, you know what I’m saying?

0:08:58.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:09:00.4 Lauri Wakefield: Like having to resolve the problem or fix the thing, but that’s why strategy and authority is so important because they have to realize within themselves like what they’re capable of fixing or capable, you know what I’m saying?

0:09:17.7 Leslee Wegleitner: No.

0:09:17.9 Lauri Wakefield: Like they can’t just every time somebody says, oh, you’re the perfect person to fix this problem and it’s important for them to be selective by using their authority to know whether or not it’s the right thing to try to help somebody with, do you know what I’m saying?

0:09:37.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yeah, it would be.

0:09:40.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:09:43.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, there was just a couple things I was gonna add about Line 2.

0:09:47.6 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:09:47.9 Leslee Wegleitner: So that I found interesting, that wording a little bit different, but as you were saying, how the Line 2 needs to be alone. And one of the things that I came across that made so much sense was, it’s because this loneliness helps them get in their creativity. So like natural talent so it’s in the environment that they can finally relax and allow this uncreative fold. And so it’s within the solitude that their ideas or creativity grows. And we’ve talked about my son being a 2-4, and he’s creating a website and everything and he’s spending 10, 12 hours a day working on this, just submerging himself all alone, and I’m like, oh, there it is. So yeah, they like to do their own thing, but there really is a purpose. And even if it’s people that they’re like, girlfriends or their moms or whoever it is, it’s still they have to be in their own or just energy.

0:10:54.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:10:54.8 Leslee Wegleitner: But then the interesting thing about that is, so their conditioning sometimes within their own minds will tell them that something is wrong because they wanna spend all this time alone and they don’t wanna be social when people are trying to call them out. And so that’s just something to be aware of, and especially if I’m assuming with that 2/5 Profile, that might be really a prominent thing for the 2D experience ’cause they still just wanna be in their own zone and doing their own thing. So that was kinda the only thing that I wanted added with the 2, and then with the Line 5, let’s see, so when you were talking about, is one of the words that is put on there is the seductor, the seduction.

0:11:44.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yep.

0:11:44.9 Leslee Wegleitner: And frequency and that’s, I think, kind of that energy that’s pulling people towards them or like intrigues people to know more and it doesn’t necessarily have to be on the physical looks of the person, but just the frequency that they carry, and then when you were talking about the projection field and everything, and so it’s almost a judgment field in a way, because it’s like they’re either being praised or they’re being criticized, right? [chuckle]

0:12:21.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:12:21.6 Leslee Wegleitner: And that kind of goes with that seduction thing. So if they get caught up in that, they could either be the one that’s being seduced or being the seducer. So that was kind of an interesting way to look at it or just to kind of perceive it, I guess. And then a quote that I found from Ra that was kind of interesting. And he said, “And then you walk up to the fifth Line and you don’t see them at all, you see what you long for, what you hope for.”

0:12:52.6 Lauri Wakefield: Right, exactly.

0:12:53.6 Leslee Wegleitner: And that is so profound because they’re just doing their thing and yet we are perceiving what we want from them, what we see them. And they are considered like the impact Messenger, was another kind of term that I heard, and my sister and my mom and my other sister, there are all the 5s. Some of them are conscious, some of them are unconscious, but the unconscious 5, my sister, she always talks about how people are coming to her at work constantly and saying, “Hey, can you solve this? Can you fix this, can you?” And she’s always, well, I have to look up how to do it too, you know what I mean?

0:13:37.5 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Right.

0:13:38.2 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s not like I’m just pulling this out of my head, I gotta sit down and figure this out. And she’s constantly getting that projected onto her, like she knows everything and what’s happening, but then there’s that aspect of them too, that they can really have an impact in what they say. So, so many times with my mothers and my sisters, it’s like, I’m going through something and they don’t even know what I’m going through, but then they will say something because they’re also considered the messenger, so profound because of this. I think the projection field, they just know on some level, so what they say is gonna kind of go into whatever you’re going through, and I find that to be really cool. And then the other piece to that 5, the privacy piece, so you kind of get that like, I would want my privacy too if I was constantly being projected about it. [laughter]

0:14:32.5 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Right, yeah.

0:14:33.7 Leslee Wegleitner: And not seen for who I am, you know what I mean? And another word that, a friend of mine that’s also a 5 unconscious is, she’s always constantly saying, I’m never being seen for who I am. And I feel like they feel that way because they’re just kind of like what Ra was saying, it’s like, they only see you for what they’re seeing, they don’t ever really truly see the person. And so, I would think that would give you kind of a really lonely feeling like, Does anybody know me? [laughter]

0:15:05.5 Lauri Wakefield: Right, right.

0:15:06.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Really know me? So yeah, I thought those were just kind of some things that I wanted to kind of highlight.

0:15:13.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I was thinking like when you were talking about, it’s like people have put you on a pedestal and then it’s like, if you don’t pull through like they expected you to, then it’s like, they’re disappointed. [laughter] The Line 5 person wasn’t the one who said, “Oh hey, I can do it. Or Hey, I know the answer to that, or Hey, I have the solution.”

0:15:38.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:15:38.9 Lauri Wakefield: It’s kind of unfair almost.

0:15:39.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Burned at the stake? [laughter]

0:15:41.7 Lauri Wakefield: What’s that?

0:15:42.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Burned at the stake.

0:15:43.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, exactly.

0:15:44.5 Leslee Wegleitner: It was another term that was attached to the 5.

0:15:46.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:15:47.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:15:47.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, well, that’s the Christianity part of it. Yeah.

0:15:50.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:15:51.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, when you put the 2 together, the heretic, it’s what they externalize is, what talents and gifts they’re called out by others to help find the solution to a problem or to fix something. Does that make sense what I just said?

0:16:07.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yep.

0:16:08.1 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it’s interesting, and then like… Well, it’s a harmonious Profile because the Line 2 and Line 5 are in harmony with each other.

0:16:24.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:16:25.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, so do you wanna talk a little bit about that?

0:16:28.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, my thoughts around that is, if they are living their strategy and authority and are really connected to the true purpose of the 2/5 Profile, then you would be very comfortable to be very private person, to be alone in your creativity, to understand that you are the impact messenger. To know when to speak, to know what to engage in, because it’s all just gonna be a natural process. There’s nothing, you know, inner conflict going on around it and it would flow quite nicely and you could be very profound within that role in the society. Yeah.

0:17:11.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, weren’t you saying, well, ’cause we’re talking about the 2/5 Profile, but your one of your sisters has a bunch of Line 5s on her conscious side, right? Not, she doesn’t have the 2/5 Profile, but she has… Yeah, so that’s the thing, we talked about before, even it may not be part of your Profile, but if you have, it’s somewhere in your chart, then there’s part of you that’s gonna understand how that energy works ’cause you’ve felt it, you’ve experienced it even though it isn’t part of your Profile? ‘Cause I know, Line 5 is not a big one in my chart, but I’ve got it, a couple of them in my chart. And then, like you and I, well, several people in your family who have Line 5s and my husband, well, he’s a 5/1. And then my daughter, yeah, a couple other people, actually a lot of people that I know have 5 somewhere in their Profile. Yeah, it’s interesting, it makes you feel kinda sorry for them in a way, not in a bad way, but you know what I mean?

0:18:12.9 Leslee Wegleitner: No.

0:18:13.7 Lauri Wakefield: Like it’s, gosh, that’s not fair. Seriously, you’re not the one who’s walking around like, oh, I can do this, I can do that, it’s like people are saying, oh, I think you can, and then you don’t, and then it’s like, I’m gonna kick your feet out from underneath you. [laughter] You know what I mean?

0:18:29.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, what I’ve noticed with my one sister that has like 7 in her conscious side, I wanna also say like, she’s thick-skinned, it’s kind of like she’s…

0:18:40.4 Lauri Wakefield: Well, that’s a good thing. Yeah.

0:18:41.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. She speaks it, she says what she’s gonna say, and then if she takes a hit back with it, she just bounces right out of it. It’s just pretty amazing.

0:18:51.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Is she the one who’s a projector?

0:18:54.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Nope, she’s a generator.

0:18:55.5 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, okay.

0:18:56.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yep, but I do notice that, so I don’t know if she just learned that early on, to have boundaries around it and just to let things just kind of bounce off of her. [laughter]

0:19:08.1 Lauri Wakefield: But you know, another thing too, if she has a lot of 5s, it’s probably like more apart. You know what I mean? It might be easier in some ways for her to be that way than it would be for somebody who just say, maybe has the Line 5 in their Profile, you know what I mean? Like where there’s…

0:19:24.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Right, it’s kind of a…

0:19:26.3 Lauri Wakefield: I mean, I don’t know, but it seems like possible, right?

0:19:28.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, ’cause the frequency would be just more.

0:19:30.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Yeah.

0:19:31.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, in the forefront.

0:19:34.1 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway, I was gonna name some famous people. Okay, it was weird I was going through trying to find just for the different human design types, I could not find anybody, any celebrity or famous person while they’d be same thing, I guess. Reflectors with a 2/5, I’m sure there’s somebody, but I don’t know who. So anyway, so for pure generators, Kevin Costner and Ludacris, he’s a singer, right?

0:20:08.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

0:20:08.8 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. And then for Emotional generator, Gisele Bündchen, she is Tom Brady’s ex-wife.

0:20:16.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay.

0:20:17.8 Lauri Wakefield: And then Emotional Manifesting Generators, Miley Cyrus and Mark Twain. And for projector, Carl Icahn, he was in the financial industry, and then for manifesters, Adele and Tom Cruise.

0:20:41.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, okay.

0:20:41.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yep, so anyway.

0:20:45.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, interesting.

0:20:46.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Well, I mean, do you have anything else to say about it? ‘Cause since we don’t have anybody who has that Profile.

0:20:52.8 Leslee Wegleitner: I don’t. Yeah, no.

0:20:54.9 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Alrighty, that’s gonna wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining us today. And in our next episode we’re gonna talk about the 3/5 Profile. If you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under podcasts episode 30. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into The Roles We’re Here to Play, please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:21:28.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everybody.