0:00:00.7 Lauri Wakefield: S1: Welcome, thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:03.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi everyone, I’m Leslee.

0:00:05.1 Lauri Wakefield: So today we’re gonna talk about the 2/4 Profile and we’re gonna do it the same way that we’ve done the other two Profiles. We’re gonna give an overview of it and we’re gonna talk about the different parts of the 2/4 Profile like the Line 2 and the Line 4. And then we’re gonna talk about it in its highest expression, which will be once someone’s following their strategy and authority. And then we’ll mention some people that we either know or some famous people with the 2/4 Profile. Leslee will name a few and I’ll name a few too. So just a quick summary of the Profiles, what they are. So the Profile is what gives us insight into how we’re meant to accomplish our life’s purpose. The first number in the Profile is on the personality side, and the second number is on the design side, the unconscious side. So that energy isn’t gonna be something a lot of times that we’re gonna be as aware of. The 2/4 Profile is actually one of the most common Profiles with about 14.3% of the population that has the 2/4 Profile, and the keyword for Line 2 is the Hermit and the keyword for Line 4 is the Opportunist. So, we haven’t actually talked about Line 2 yet, but we have talked about Line 4, so some of this might be information that we covered in the last episode, but I tried to bring a couple different characteristics that I didn’t talk about last time. So hopefully it won’t be like a repeat, right?

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0:01:50.1 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, so the Line 2 is in the lower trigram. And the lower trigram is inner-focused, and then line 4 is in the upper trigram and the upper trigram is outer-focused. So with the lower trigram people who have one of the lines in the lower trigram will be self-absorbed and more interested in their own processes rather than sharing those things with other people. And then the upper trigram is transpersonal and outer-directed which they have an innate desire to share with others or externalize what they know or what they’ve experienced in life. So the line 2 is on the conscious side in this Profile and I mentioned the keyword for that is the Hermit. So people who have line 1 in their… Excuse me, not Line 1. Well, actually I was gonna talk about that first. People who, okay, just as a comparison, so people who have line 1 in their Profile are driven to investigate and study things on a deep level, but with Line 2 their knowledge and talents and genius are, they’re inherent. That’s just something that just exists within them, they’re just naturally gifted in certain ways, but they really don’t see their own giftedness, it’s something that other people see it in them and then they project it onto them. And then when it’s projected onto them, it can make them uncomfortable.

0:03:24.4 Lauri Wakefield: So, something that, okay, it’s something usually their gift, well, not usually, it is, their talent is gonna be something that they truly enjoy and it’s something that they like to do by themselves, they don’t like to necessarily do it in front of other people or share with other people. They’re perfectly comfortable with being by themselves, I don’t know if I’m making any sense with what I’m saying, Leslee, ’cause I’m trying to explain something that I don’t have in my Profile. But they also have, or they can have a shyness about them, and it is especially about their talents. But like I said before, they’re here to be called up by others and like the hermit is one of the words that’s used to describe the line 2. But I was thinking about it and it’s kinda like a turtle, you know, how like a turtle, it’ll stick its head in its shell? They retreat and it’s like they just wanna shut the world out. But with a Line 2, they just need time, like in addition to just being able to enjoy their natural gifts and to just be able to do it without having other people observe them or just get immersed in it, you know what I’m saying? Like something that you really enjoy and it’s like you become immersed in it, so you shut out the world and sometimes it’ll make you uncomfortable just having other people watching what you’re doing, like it throws you off. You know what I’m saying?

0:05:12.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hmm.

0:05:13.6 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, so it’s not just that like with the time that they need away from other people, there’s also a need for them to to be away from other people to integrate ideas and experiences without having to interact with other people. And they also need time away to shed the energy of other people, I guess you would call it maybe conditioning too. So the line 4, the keyword for that is the opportunist. And in the last episode we talked about how important it’s for Line 4 people to grow and nurture their network, because that’s where their opportunities will find them, and that’s where they’re meant to influence other people. But I wanted to mention a few more things that I didn’t say last time. And when we talked about [0:06:01.0] ____ in the 1/4 Profile. So for Line 4 people, it’s important for them to be accepted for who they are, they don’t wanna pretend to be something they’re not, they just wanna be who they are. And they can be like, if a relationship becomes constraining or restrictive or where someone is not allowing them to be who they are, they can end the relationship or at least distance themselves from that other person.

0:06:30.8 Lauri Wakefield: Another thing is that they don’t like to be criticized. And something that we touched on last week with them, just the… Maybe we didn’t say it like this, but they crave predictability and consistency so usually before they make an abrupt move, like quit their job or move to a new place, or start a new relation or end a relationship. It’s important for them, for their own sense of security, to know what’s next, to have something else lined up. Otherwise it just makes them kinda crazy. You know what I’m saying, Leslee?

0:07:07.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yep, [0:07:08.5] ____.

0:07:12.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yes, so I’m just gonna say a couple more things and then I’ll be quiet and you can talk. [chuckle] Okay. So when you put the two lines together with the 2/4 Profile, it’s the Hermit/Opportunist. And it’s kind of an interesting combination of their conflicting desires. There’s a dichotomy between the energy of the two lines, like the Line 2, personality side, conscious side, they wanna be left alone in a lot of ways to do their own thing. And then the Line 4, the design side or unconscious side, they’re friendly and they like to interact with people in their network. So yeah, it creates just an interesting dynamic, don’t you think?

0:07:56.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, it does.

0:07:57.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And I was thinking too, like, I don’t know, last night before I went to sleep, isn’t that crazy? Before I went to sleep, I was thinking this stuff which is probably why I didn’t fall asleep right away. [chuckle] But I was thinking about how Line 2, for a Manifestor is probably tough. But it’s probably, I don’t know, easier maybe for a Generator or for a Projector because like a Generator’s gonna respond to something on the outside, and then the Projector’s gonna be invited, so do you know what I’m saying?

0:08:36.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-Hmm.

0:08:37.8 Lauri Wakefield: It just seems like it would be maybe more difficult for a Manifestor. You think so or not?

0:08:44.4 Leslee Wegleitner: I don’t know, because they kind of like to do their own thing, right?

0:08:48.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:08:49.3 Leslee Wegleitner: And not be interrupted. So I can kinda see where they would kinda do well with the Hermit.

0:08:54.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:08:55.0 Leslee Wegleitner: And pull back. But I can also see, they’re very action driven. And so being the Hermit doesn’t always fit with that either. So, yeah, maybe a little [0:09:09.2] ____.

0:09:09.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, maybe I hit those backwards, though, ’cause like what you’re saying. Yeah, they don’t need… Yeah. Anyway. Yeah.

0:09:15.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Sounds interesting.

0:09:16.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Just one more thing that I wanted to say, is just that like to kinda sum it up too. Okay, so what they externalize is the talents or gifts that they’ve been called out by others to share with their network. So that’s kinda like a summary of it, I guess, a little bit.

0:09:34.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Hmm.

0:09:37.1 Lauri Wakefield: Interesting, huh?

0:09:37.2 Leslee Wegleitner: It is. It’s kind of an interesting Profile.

0:09:39.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:09:43.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, I’m just gonna go a little bit more into the conscious and the unconscious. Some repetitive stuff just kinda spoken in a different way, so may help others and maybe not others. [chuckle] I dont know. So I don’t know if you mentioned that it’s one of the seven personal Profiles, so they’re more focused on self-discovery and self-growth. And so the conscious Line, which is the personality side or the mind side, you mentioned was the Hermit archetype and it’s introverted and naturally gifted part of someone’s nature. And something that they’re very specific and inherent in their gifts and they’re waiting to be called out like you had mentioned. It could be like a singing or an athletic talent, their leadership ability, or even just a unique perspective way that they’re thinking. And they really need to learn to trust this gift within themselves. And a lot of times, like you mentioned, it’s hidden from the person themselves, so to kinda recognize it is kind of the first step. And another piece is it can kinda lead to some anxiety with them because people will start calling them out about their gift or their talent, and they wanna know how they do it or what they do or explain it and they can’t. Because it’s just such a natural part of them, that that’s where it kinda gives them some anxiety around it.

0:11:17.8 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:11:20.1 Leslee Wegleitner: So these gifts and talents can be hidden, like I said, from the person, and they need to recognize it first. And the other part to that that’s kind of interesting is… I just lost my train of thought. Oh, is when they can discern which… When people are calling them out, what they’re really aligned to and what is gonna be fulfilling for them and not exhausting and unfulfilling. So kind of paying attention to and discern what is making sense to them, that people are calling out. And accept the right calls. And this is gonna get a little bit more with that 4/2 that they’re around the right people. But this will lead to their most fulfillment and satisfaction is if they can kinda lean into that gift and make sure that’s what’s being called from them.

0:12:19.8 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:12:21.5 Leslee Wegleitner: But one thing for Line 2 is to kinda pay attention to what people are actually saying to them and reflect on, what are they calling out? What gifts are they being told that they do have? Just to kind of hone in on what that is, ’cause a lot of times they won’t even know. So with the 4th Line being the unconscious, and like you said, it’s the Opportunist. And this represents the design side of the body or the actual physical experience within the body graph, and it’s about stability and grounding through their network and their family and friends. And it’s really about seeking a solid foundation and the stability within those networks. And it’s important for the 4s to be well prepared before making changes in their life, like you had talked about, and not just be jumping into different things. And sometimes because it is unconscious, they will take more risks, and not even realize that they’re jumping into choices. And the highest expression for this 4th line is all about kindness and friendliness. And they generally are that in relationships and networks.

0:13:33.5 Leslee Wegleitner: But because of maybe their lifetime conditioning or processes or getting in the wrong relationships because of not using their strategy and authority, can then create them to be a little bit more bitter or not as friendly and a little more protective, which would kinda go into their lower expression that not feeling appreciated and being vulnerable in their networks and family and friends and things. So that can show up. So because the Profile is a dissonance being the 2/4, so it’s like it’s not very harmonic. They’re kind of immersed in their own world and the 2 just kinda wants to stay at home, do their own thing, and being immersed in their own world, and then they have this unconscious side that wants to be out with the family and friends and socialize and interact. And really get out into the world. So this can kind of be their conundrum that they’re dealing with, in which way they want to go with it, their inner conflict. So that’s kind of an interesting and you kind of brought that up too, it’s kind of…

0:14:45.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. It kinda make your head crazy a little bit, yeah.

0:14:47.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, like, do I stay home? Do I go?

0:14:51.0 Lauri Wakefield: Right, right, right. Yeah.

0:14:52.3 Leslee Wegleitner: But their network is so important for them because that’s what’s going to actually put them in the right situation to use their gifts and their talents, and they’re here to externalize that. So another, with their leadership style, the words that they use is a natural influencer, ’cause they can influence those around them through their natural gifts and talents. And their Leadership with that 4 is more democratic because they’re able to really have the wisdom to know when to kinda step down. Or they say the abdicator, the wisdom to step down, the humility to know when to step down with their leadership and move onto the next chapter or whatever it may be. So the last thing I was gonna bring up is, of course, the key is to use their strategy and authority, and to be aware of the recognition that’s being called out in you. And the projections you want to invest and where you want to invest your energy. And make sure that the relationships or the networks that you’re a part of, are correct for you and this will really help find the right opportunities and can save a lot of heartache and rejection and stress for the person of a 2/4. And just staying true to your own process as a hermit, and immerse yourself into things that you love while you’re waiting, for the right call out for your gifts and to be able to share with others. So kinda the same ideas that you were talking about, just spoken maybe a little different.

0:16:32.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. From your point of view, right?

0:16:34.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, from my point of view. [chuckle]

0:16:35.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Well, that’s what makes it interesting. It’s not just information, it’s your interpretation of it, right?

0:16:41.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, and we were talking about earlier too, is we both have quite a few 2/4s.

0:16:46.7 Lauri Wakefield: In our lives.

0:16:47.2 Leslee Wegleitner: In our immediate circles, and it’s profound when you read this, how you can really distinctly see it, all parts of it, so it’s fascinating.

0:17:01.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I know you probably wanted to share something about, maybe about your son. ‘Cause he has a 2/4 Profile, but I was gonna say one thing when you were talking about the natural influencer, and you were talking about how Line 4 is democratic, like the leadership style is democratic, and it is about influence. And we kinda talked about this in the last episode. It is about influence, but it’s not about trying to convince. It’s about trying to share information with other people that will help them. It’s like there’s no ego invested into it. You know what I’m saying? It’s more about trying to be helpful to other people, trying to share with other people. And that’s why abdicating works for them, because it’s like, okay, you don’t agree with me. You don’t wanna listen or whatever, and not with any type of, like neutral about it. You know what I mean? It’s like, okay, then we’ll stop talking about it, [chuckle] and I’ll share the information with someone else who might benefit from it. And not that you would say that to the other person, but that’s just kinda the way it works, that you would just know that there’s no point in trying to convince somebody or try to influence them, because it doesn’t work so. Anyway, do you wanna talk about…

0:18:22.2 Leslee Wegleitner: It goes back to the Hermit/Opportunists, right? So they’re just kinda quiet, doing their own thing, but they’re the opportunist that knows when the opportunity is there and when it’s not. [laughter] So they can kinda walk away. But yeah, as far as my son, it’s so evident his whole Profile is just exactly how he is, he’s in competition for CrossFit, but his true gift is really people asking him when they get injured, how to rehabilitate. And just off the cuff, he’ll always have really good suggestions, yet he doesn’t even acknowledge that he’s got as much wisdom behind him as he does.

0:19:04.6 Lauri Wakefield: It’s just something that comes natural to him.

0:19:06.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. And he’s always getting people approaching us, and me and my family, my immediate family too, it’s like, oh, got this injury, what do I do? And he can just rattle off and send us video of what to do, and it’s kinda like the PT thing, but yeah, and he just has no clue. I mean, [chuckle] he’s just doing his thing and he wants to not be interrupted and kind of do his workouts and work on his specific things that he is creating. But yet super friendly, you approach him on a certain topic or whatever and he’s very endearing and willing to share what he knows.

0:19:54.5 Lauri Wakefield: Share what he knows. Right. Well, he’s got the 4. Yeah.

0:19:57.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, it’s pretty fascinating.

0:20:00.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. You know what I was thinking about too? Not that this is really profound or anything, it’s just kinda one of those things when you’re, I don’t know, thinking about things that you know and it’s just, I don’t know, like I’m gonna say it and then like I said, it’s nothing like profound at all. But okay, so you’ve got all these different lines and the different combinations and then it’s just like whether or not it’s on the personality side or it’s on the unconscious side, you know what I mean? It’s just so interesting the way that they come together for the Profile. And then depending on the Human Design type too, that Profile’s gonna be experienced differently for each Human Design type. But isn’t it fascinating? ‘Cause we’re talking about the lines and then you put them together and it’s just kinda cool. [chuckle]

0:20:53.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Do you mean you can view people…

0:20:56.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely.

0:20:57.3 Leslee Wegleitner: You mean it sounds that you know, it just makes so much sense. Wow, that is completely…

0:21:03.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, ’cause like I don’t know how many people off hand, but just charts I’ve done. And a lot of people have been 2/4s, which isn’t surprising ’cause it’s one of the most common Profiles. But someone that I’m thinking of, and it’s somebody, she’s been really super successful career-wise and she knows a bunch of people and it just seems she is like… ‘Cause I don’t know her really well. I’ve known her kinda from a distance a little bit. But it just seems like she would always wanna be around people, but she’s got that too. And after getting to know her better, ’cause I did a report for her and she was saying, oh yeah, that’s very true about me. Where she needs time away from other people, because I don’t spend a lot of time around her, if I hadn’t known that about her, you know what I’m saying? I would’ve just assumed, oh, she’s always up around people, always up for being around people and she’s not. Yeah, so it’s interesting. Did you wanna say anything about anybody else or you want me to share my famous people?

0:22:14.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, you can go ahead and share your famous people.

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0:22:16.5 Lauri Wakefield: Famous people whom I don’t even know. Okay. So we’ve got, let’s see, for the Generators with the 2/4 Profile, Warren Buffet, Russell Crow and Oprah Winfrey, are 2/4 Generators, and How about that?

0:22:33.8 Leslee Wegleitner: That’s interesting. Okay. [chuckle]

0:22:35.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And then Simone Biles, she’s a 2/4 Manifesting Generator, the gymnast. And then we have 2/4 Projectors, Gerard Butler, you know who he is? Oh, he’s done a ton of movies. I was looking at his filmography, my gosh, that guy’s got like pages of it. But anyway, he was in the Bounty Hunter, I don’t know if you ever saw that, with Jennifer Aniston. [chuckle]

0:22:56.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay. Yeah.

0:22:58.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I don’t know, it’s a funny movie, but anyway. And then Nicholas Cage is a 2/4 Projector, and then for 2/4 Manifestor Liam Hemsworth. And then for 2/4 Reflector, Sandra Bullock.

0:23:14.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay. Yep. I remember Sandra Bullock was. Yeah, interesting.

0:23:21.4 Lauri Wakefield: Interesting, huh?

0:23:22.5 Leslee Wegleitner: It is. Yeah. And one thing I was just kinda pondering about, it’s like marketing for the 2/4, like if someone was self-employed and they were marketing themselves, I’m sure it’s a little bit different than just being able to go out and do sales. There’s probably a strategic way to kind of be called out before… Within your network, but still be called out would be probably more beneficial than pushing. You know, I don’t know what I’m trying to say, but your approach around it. Yeah.

0:24:05.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, the one person I was talking about, she’s actually in the Sales field, and she started out in Sales and then she moved up. She’s worked for a couple different pretty big companies, but she was a like national sales director of Jane Iredale for several years. But she has a whole team of people and she’s really good in that type of a role, where she is coaching and really mentoring people too at the same time. But anyway, yeah Sales, it’s been good to her. People who are good at Sales, that’s a gift.

0:24:47.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Right, right, exactly.

0:24:48.3 Lauri Wakefield: ‘Cause they understand the process and it’s like, I don’t know. Some people are just naturally good at it. Some people are not.

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0:24:58.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yep. I would be in not so much. [laughter]

0:25:02.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I’d probably be in that category too. Although I could be, you know what’s really funny? My dad when I was growing up, he’s like, Lauri, you should be in Sales. And I was sitting there thinking, yeah, Okay. So I’m gonna be in Sales, and then this is when I was a teenager, so in my mind I’m thinking, yeah, okay, ’cause you know how to read people, that’s what he told me. ‘Cause you know how to read people. So I was like, okay, so in my mind I’m thinking, yeah, because then you can capitalize on something. I don’t know, like manipulate or whatever. Like, in my head I was thinking like that and it’s like, I would never wanna do that. Like if something, if I could never sell something that I didn’t think was good for somebody ever, like, if somebody wanted to buy something and I thought it’d be terrible for them, I would tell them that. I don’t think it would be a good idea, you do what you want, but this is the reason why. [chuckle] Or like something, just a product that was a crappy product or a crappy service. You know what I mean? And try to convince somebody that… No, yeah, sales doesn’t interest me at all. But as far as like if I looked at it as being a consultant then it wouldn’t seem as bad, but just straight sales, thinking about like cold calling people, not thank you. [laughter]

0:26:20.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, no I hear you. [chuckle]

0:26:21.6 Lauri Wakefield: I’m not interested. Okay. Thank you. I’ll never call you back, bye [chuckle], I’ll never call you again. Yeah.

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0:26:27.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:26:28.6 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway do you have anything else you wanted to add to…

0:26:33.0 Leslee Wegleitner: No, I think we’re good.

0:26:35.5 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Alright. Well, that will wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining us today. In our next episode in The Roles We’re Here to Play series, we’re gonna discuss the 2/5 Profile. That’ll be an interesting one, Leslee?

0:26:47.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. It will be.

0:26:48.3 Lauri Wakefield: It was a harmonic one. Yeah.

0:26:49.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:26:51.8 Lauri Wakefield: So if you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com, the show notes will be listed under podcasts, episode 29. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into The roles We’re Here to Play, please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:27:12.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everyone.