0:00:01.1 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:03.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi, everyone. I’m Leslie.

0:00:05.6 Lauri Wakefield: So today, we’re gonna talk about the Heart Center. It’s also referred to as the Ego/Will Center, and we’re gonna talk about some basic information about the center itself. And then I’ll talk about the defined Heart Center and then Leslee’s gonna talk about the open Heart Center and then we’ll just share some examples. So anyway, the theme for the Heart Center is living and surviving in the material world or on the material plane. Willpower, ego and, self-esteem are all themes related to that center. The Heart Center is one of the four motors in the chart. So it’s a motor that drives the ego and it drives willpower. And in the Heart Center there are four… I’m so used to calling it… I was talking about this earlier, I’m so used to calling it the Ego/Will Center but it’s actually referred to as the Heart Center. So the four gates in the Heart Center. It’s the only center in the body graph that has a gate that points to a different center. So each of the four gates points to a different center and the four different channels or the four different gates, three of them are tribal and then one of them is individual. It’s in the Centering sub-circuit for the Individual Circuit and then the two gates in the Tribal Circuit are… Two of them are Ego and then one of them I think is Defense. Is that right Leslee?

0:01:50.6 Leslee Wegleitner: No, the 40-37 is Tribal 26.

0:01:52.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah I was gonna say the sub-circuit, not that that really matters. But anyway, so do you know what I’m saying? I think one of them was… No, actually it’s not Defense. They’re all Ego.

0:02:05.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, it’s all… Yep.

0:02:06.7 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway because it has so many gates that are in the Tribal Circuit, the essence of that center is very tribal. It’s the center supporting the tribe, making provisions to ensure survival and then thriving on the material plane. The thing that’s kind of interesting about it in the bodygraph, the left side of the body graph the splenic side, that side of the bodygraph is… It’s capitalistic. So it’s there to meet the demands of the material plane, like how to make money and gather resources and things like that. And then the right side, the Solar Plexus side is more communal. It’s what’s done to keep the community together and to provide the necessary resources for everyone in the tribe which is… 40-37 is big with that. You’ve got that channel Leslee – emotional bargains. Yeah, so the Heart Center… 35-37% of the population has it defined and then 63-65% has it undefined. So most people don’t have it defined. But Leslee you wanna share some basic information about it before we get into the defined and the open?

0:03:42.2 Leslee Wegleitner: I think you pretty much covered everything that I would have stated as far as…

0:04:01.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. We were talking about the biological?

0:04:01.1 Leslee Wegleitner: The biological part, sure. So when living in not self and some things that may show up with the Heart Center or that may be affected, the heart which is connected to gate 21, the stomach which is 40, T cells and thymus gland is 26 and the gallbladder is 51, and I have consciously, my son is 40, and I can tell you that stomach has always been a little bit of an issue. So it’s really kind of fascinating how it does really affect the body. And then thinking how much heart disease we have out there and here within the Heart Center is the heart the actual physical heart. And it’s also… What I read, too, is just as the heart beats in alternating phases of tension and relaxation, the center needs to operate with correct timing to be healthy. So even if you have it defined, there’s time in it, like the 40 is connected to work and loving the work that you do and you want to work, but there’s that on and off pulse. You’ll be engaged and then you need time off also. Even if it’s defined or undefined, I think it’s… That willfulness cannot be 24/7, 365 days a year. And I find that very true. And even reflecting back on my life of times that I worked three jobs and then all of a sudden I’m not working and then I worked full time again and then I’m not working. So just those times off when I needed it seemed to just naturally come about, so yeah.

0:05:46.1 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. So should I start with a defined center and then you wanna?

0:05:48.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:05:52.1 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:05:55.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, go ahead.

0:06:00.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So yours is 37-40. I actually have gate 40. It’s a hanging gate. And then I have the definition through channel 44-26 from the Splenic Center to the Heart Center. So when you have a defined Heart Center, you have consistent access to willpower. Another thing that is really important for people who have it defined is for them to make and keep promises or commitments. They’re actually designed to do that. It’s healthy for them to do that. So when they do make promises and keep them, then that’s a way that they actually build their self-esteem because other people know that they can count on them to do what they say they’re gonna do. And then there’s also just that internal feeling of you follow through with what you said you were gonna do. So I know in my life that’s super important. I don’t know about you, Leslee, but do you find that to be true for you, too?

0:07:01.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yeah. It’s just even a natural thing.

0:07:06.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So another thing that… Characteristic is that they have a fixed way of dealing with things in the material world when it comes to making deals and promises. And then what you were talking about, too, Leslee like even when you have it defined, you can’t just go, go, go, go. And you have to have periods of rest. And I think it’s really probably even more challenging for people who don’t have a defined Sacral, if they’ve got the Will Center defined, don’t you think? Like for Projectors and Manifestors, don’t you think?

0:07:50.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah we’ll find that in them like yeah.

0:07:54.0 Lauri Wakefield: Because a Generator or a Manifesting Generator is gonna have a defined Sacral, so they’ve got that life force energy but even for them, they still need to have periods of rest and relaxation. And then you were talking about being your own boss. But people who have a defined Will Center or defined Heart Center, they like to be their own boss. Either that or have a lot of flexibility in their schedule or with their job because then they can decide when to work and they’re able to rest when they need to rest. They can push themselves when they need to and then rest when they need to rest. But another thing, too, is with using that willpower, because that’s just a big part of that center is the willpower, the drive. But it’s really important for people to use their strategy and authority to decide when to use their willpower. Another thing, too, is that they like to be in control of their lives and their resources. One thing I was gonna… I was trying to think of an example in my own life or just things that… They would kinda maybe describe what the energy is like for someone who has it defined.

0:09:07.0 Lauri Wakefield: So I was thinking about this example. If you’re a mother or a parent and you have kids and your kids are like, “Okay so well, you know what I don’t know if I’m gonna do this because then it would kind of… I don’t want to take away from what you’re gonna say. Is it okay for me to finish ’cause I’m gonna say something that’s true of the…

0:09:24.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:09:28.9 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, that’s true of an open Heart Center. Open Heart Centers are not… Like I said the Defined Heart Center, they’re designed to make promises and to keep them. That’s just something that they need to do. So people who have it open are not designed to be that way. Okay. So my example was, when you’re a parent and your child says to you. “Well, hey, can we go to the park tomorrow?” So if you have it defined you have to… In order to keep your promise, if you know for sure, then you can say, “Yes, we’ll go tomorrow,” or if there’s a reason why you can’t, then you say, “We won’t be able to go tomorrow, but maybe we can go another day.” So somebody who has it undefined or open and their child says to them, “Well, can we go to the park tomorrow?” Their response would be, “Why don’t we wait until tomorrow and then decide?” You know what I mean? Where they’re not making that promise beforehand? Does that make sense?

0:10:27.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:10:31.6 Lauri Wakefield: Another thing I was gonna say about the Heart Center in a healthy state, they have a natural sense of self-esteem and self-worth. So when we talked about the G Center, we were talking about self-identity, about knowing who you are when you have that defined, but it’s a little bit different than the Heart Center because the Heart Center has to do with self-esteem and self-worth. So it’s a little bit different than self-identity. So anyway another… Okay the unhealthy expression of it is that people can have an inflated ego and want others to be like they are. So they can put pressure on other people to be like they are, or they can be too forceful with others. I was just thinking of just a quick… Just a quick example, so you can start talking Leslee. Sorry. [laughter] I keep going on and on.

0:11:24.0 Leslee Wegleitner: You’re on a roll.

0:11:24.0 Lauri Wakefield: Do you know that movie Mean Girls with Rachel McAdams?

0:11:43.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Mm-hmm.

0:11:47.5 Lauri Wakefield: She was the leader. The leader in that group of the Mean Girls. And then she had basically puppets around her. So it was really important for her to make them be like she was, you know what I mean? To look at things the way that she did and to be the way that she was with other people. And so they would try to emulate her. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. But anyway, that’s my last example. So you wanna talk about the open Heart Center, Leslee?

0:11:55.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Okay. So the open or the undefined heart, they need to know that they’re really not here to prove anything to anyone. And they’re not designed to make and keep promises like you have spoke about. And that there is a deep conditioning potential that can happen to live up to expectations of yourself and others. So the conditioned behavior of the willfulness is what the undefined Heart Center may produce and trying to be competitive and prove self through promises or feeling the need to improve themselves. So that’s another aspect, is about improving themselves, so that they can prove themselves. The open Heart Centers are not designed to make and keep promises and the recognition of someone doing this is a big signpost of a not self. So when you hear people doing that, you kind of… It’s really interesting because now I can pick them up on it really easily. Like where people start talking or trying to make promises or trying to talk and they’re coming through this factor of proving themselves. So it’s kind of fun to kind of hear for it, since so many people are undefined here. And the undefined Heart Center wants to appear worthy. So while trying to appear worthy, they create adaptive strategies like overachieving or exaggerating words and actions to create self-importance, so that’s something else to just kind of…

0:13:26.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Just listen for it because you’ll pick it up. It’s pretty prevalent out there. You’ll hear it. And then as time goes on, the undefined Heart Center develops the low self-esteem because of this insecurity, as whether they can or will ever accomplish anything because they’re making these promises and they’re not in alignment with what they should or that… Not should but what is correct for them and not using their authority. And so it just starts wearing on their self-esteem. And this idea that they are not keeping promises expands into possible defeated feelings, which also lead into inadequacy, self-deficiency, and worthlessness. And there is something that I saw that Ra kind of put and I just thought it was so well delivered that I’m just gonna read it. And he says, “Proving yourself worthy means doing things that you don’t want to do, doing them for people you don’t want to do them for and doing them only because you have this incredible pressure on you out of that open Heart Center. That pressure, the not-self delivers to the mind, the pressure that says we have to say yes, because if we don’t, they’re not gonna think we’re a good people or that we’re decent or that we care or all the things that are gonna impact one’s sense of worthiness. And of course, it’s a proving that leads to the great addiction of the not self, which is to be addicted to what you’re not.”

0:14:50.8 Leslee Wegleitner: And I really think that just really sums up really well of trying to prove yourself and you’re running around doing things or making promises that are not for your best interest. And then it’s like we spoke about earlier, the physical body starts to break down because it’s in the Heart Center, and you’re breaking promises. So it’s affecting those physical symptoms or those physical attributes of the body. So it’s really interesting because I find such a great percentage are not defined. And I was kind of contemplating, I’m defined consciously through that 40-37, but I can still relate to some of the undefined because I’m sure you can be conditioned even if you are defined, especially if you… Like in my environment and no one in my family had it defined so you’ve got all these people that are overachieving and they’re trying to exaggerate what they’re doing and wanting to prove themselves so it’s kind of a conditioned way to be. And so now, that’s one thing that I’ve been really listening to and kind of witnessing when people are saying that or even if it starts to come out of my mouth, I’m like, “Well, do I really need to say that?”

0:16:22.9 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Yeah. I mean, and it could be like through the undefined gates, too, you know what I mean? Even though the center is defined, you’ve got undefined gates in it.

0:16:38.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah ’cause I have the 25. So when that 51 initiation and that’s… I’m losing my word, but the… Oh, my gosh! What circuitry is that in?

0:16:55.2 Lauri Wakefield: It’s centering. I think that it’s centering.

0:17:00.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. I couldn’t… For some reason it was just escaping me. But when that comes in, I definitely feel that shift into that identity versus the 21 coming in is more… It’s more in control of outside of self, where the 51 brings more inner sense of direction and where I wanna go with something or my learning experience, I guess I’ll say that. So, yeah, it’s kind of really an interesting center and kind of an easy one to understand because it is so much on the material plane and it’s so much human nature, the ego and just how we wanna close off and yeah.

0:17:50.1 Lauri Wakefield: I was just gonna say when everybody can identify with willpower and that attribute because we’re told…

0:17:56.9 Leslee Wegleitner: In the whole sense of it.

0:18:02.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, we’re told to push through and use your willpower, dig in, dig deep.

0:18:09.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Fake it till you make it. The Nike saying, “Just do it.” I mean it’s kind of all over marketed that we have to push through and it’s so not. I don’t know about you, but I can’t force my will anymore. I mean it’s just… I just need to… When I need the time off, I just really need to take the time off ’cause otherwise it’s just not gonna go on my… Within my favor. So.

0:18:33.0 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Definitely. So, are you finished, or did you want to add any more?

0:18:34.6 Leslee Wegleitner: I think that’s all.

0:18:35.5 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:18:39.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:18:41.8 Lauri Wakefield: I was gonna say one thing that’s kind of interesting about the open Heart Center is like in a healthy state through wisdom, they can actually see who’s capable of making and keeping commitments. Isn’t that interesting?

0:19:00.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:19:01.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And then in the healthy state, they don’t feel like they need to compete with other people to prove their worth or their value. That’s something that you kinda touched on already. So do you want to add any examples Leslee or add anything else to it before we wrap things up?

0:19:19.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, both my sons have it completely. They don’t have a hanging gate. They don’t even have a gate pointing towards it. And that’s pretty significant just because of that wisdom can really be open and I’m really seeing it. The difference between my two kids and how they’re playing that out. And the willfulness and the pushing forward, but in some healthy ways and some not healthy ways. But the reflection that they’re here to gain the wisdom around and to really mirror out, that’s kind of what that represents is in their mirroring out to everyone this aspect of healthy boundaries around the ego and proving yourself and the material plane like the finance stuff. Like my older son’s, he was like, I gotta make a million dollars by the time I’m 30. And now he’s just like, “You know, mom, I just I wanna… I don’t know how to do it.

0:20:33.6 Lauri Wakefield: I don’t have to.

0:20:34.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah I just want to have a comfortable living that I can have the freedom that I want and do what I wanna do and work when I need to and not… And he’s pretty much built this. So it’s fascinating. To me it’s like, “Wow, he’s kind of stepped into knowing what that wisdom of that is all about,” where and my other one is still kind of… He’s a lot younger so I see him more willfully pushing to achieve things in certain ways and in other ways he’s not but yeah, it’s kind of really… Like I said it’s a really kind of fun center ’cause it’s just an easy to witness all around you in all the different ways that it’s showing up. Yeah.

0:21:23.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And I was gonna say. I don’t mean to interrupt you but okay, so you’ve got your one son is the Manifestor and then what… That wouldn’t really apply because I was thinking it was defined but their centers are open but and then the other one is a Generator. But what I was gonna say doesn’t apply so you can move on.

0:21:48.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. No, they’re both completely open. But it’s also… In gathering that wisdom like I said the age? It does kind of matter because as they’re getting older and their perception of if they have to prove or they have to prove… Like my older son when he was working for companies, it was all about proving himself that he’s a Manifestor and doing it my way and now he’s totally flipped and he’s like, “This is what I’m feeling now. I don’t need all this money. I just need enough to be comfortable and do what I want.” So it’s just like, “Wow! That’s pretty profound,” ’cause it’s all about more and more and more, especially when there’s more and that’s what we all get caught up in in life is I need more. I need more money. I need more money. I need more money [laughter] So, yeah.

0:22:38.3 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Well, that’s good. Yeah. We haven’t talked about him for a while. I know he was he was into investing and stuff like that and then he had the drone pilot that he was doing. Is he still doing that?

0:22:51.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yep. He is. Yep. He’s currently…

0:22:52.8 Lauri Wakefield: And then and then his girlfriend was gonna learn how to do it, right?

0:22:58.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yep. She’s on board and yeah.

0:23:02.7 Lauri Wakefield: So, he’s doing well for himself. He’s he’s kinda… You’re kinda downplaying it a little bit. He’s doing well for himself. He’s just…

0:23:15.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, he’s doing really well.

0:23:15.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. He just stepped back from the millionaire like I need to be a millionaire attitude.

0:23:15.4 Leslee Wegleitner: I’m not saying that he’s not gonna reach that goal. I’m just saying it’s not… He’s not talking about it to prove himself or put it in the forefront. He’s just day-by-day letting things… Reaching out and he’s definitely accumulating it. Which isn’t that… You kinda when you… What do I wanna say? When you’re pushing for something you seem to be resisting it or you open the door to like you know anyway.

0:23:42.4 Lauri Wakefield: Right, right. The kind of [0:23:42.5] ____.

0:23:42.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. I’m just gonna go with the flow and he’s getting in the flow.

0:23:46.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Well that’s good. Yeah. So anyway you’re about ready to end this.

0:24:00.8 Leslee Wegleitner: I am.

0:24:05.1 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. So that’s gonna wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining us today. In our next episode, in the 9-Centered Being series, we’re gonna be talking about the Solar Plexus Center. If you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under Podcast Episode 21. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into the 9-Centered Being, please be sure to subscribe to our Podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:24:30.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everyone.