0:00:00.8 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:04.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi everyone, this is Leslee.

0:00:06.1 Lauri Wakefield: So, today we’re gonna talk about the Ajna Center as we continue the Nine-Centered Being Series. So, with the Ajna Center. The Ajna Center is located right below the Head Center in the body graph. And the themes of the Ajna Center, it’s a center that involves mental or mind consciousness or mental activity. Some of the characteristics of it are, it’s used for researching, for conceptualizing, organizing information, or categorizing it and storing information. About 47% of the population has the Ajna Center defined. That’s basically about half of the population. One thing that’s kind of interesting, and I don’t think I said it last week when we were doing the podcast, but if you have an open Ajna, the Head Center is always gonna be open. But you can have an open Head Center in a defined Ajna. One thing that is interesting about actually both of the centers, but we’re focusing on the Ajna Center. But both of them is that because it’s associated with mental activity, a lot of people try to make decisions using their minds.

0:01:24.7 Lauri Wakefield: So the problem with that is that for one thing is that our minds are very conditioned and also that that’s not what our minds are designed to do. That’s not what those centers are designed for. That’s what our authority type is for. And the authority type, most of us have what’s known as inner authority which would be like emotional, sacral, splenic, etcetera. But there are about 3% to 4% of the population that have either mental projected or what’s called Lunar Authority. That’s an outer authority it’s not an inner authority. And so it functions a little bit differently than the inner authority, but the best decisions are still not made from using the mind. I was thinking about… As an example of… Okay, so when we make decisions a lot of times, I do this and I’m sure a lot of people do this. It’s like, okay, you look at the advantages and disadvantages. Like, “If I do this… What’s the advantage if I do that?” The different… You have a whole list of stuff, right? [chuckle]

0:02:27.3 Lauri Wakefield: So, I was thinking about… Yeah, I was thinking about… Remember the movie Along Came Polly with Jennifer Aniston and Ben Stiller?

0:02:33.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, yeah.

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0:02:35.3 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Okay. So, Ben Stiller was Reuben in the movie, right? And he was an insurance actuary, so he assessed risk and uncertainty. So, when he was trying to make a decision about Polly, he plugged her into this software and everything that came back was like, “No, she’s not a good risk.” But in the end, he threw all that stuff out the door and it’s like, “She is the one I wanna be with at least for now or whatever.” It’s just funny and what that character, it had to have been like emotional authority because it was like the, “Yes, no. Yes, no.” And then he’s finally like, “Yeah, I do wanna be with you.” And I don’t know, I just thought that was kind of a funny example.

0:03:19.2 Lauri Wakefield: We’re gonna get into the defined and the undefined Ajna. Leslee has a defined Ajna and I have an undefined Ajna. So, we’re gonna just share some of our experiences of what it’s like for her to have a defined and for me to have an undefined. So, you wanna share some stuff, Leslee?

0:03:39.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. I just wanna throw out there that the mind consciousness of the Ajna does operate over time. That is one thing, and so it’s kind of interesting with your example there of plugging into the computer and getting, “Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no,” is not really allowing him to have its awareness over time.

0:04:00.1 Lauri Wakefield: Well, he did… Yeah, I was just… That movie he didn’t… He plugged it in, it was a static, you know what I mean? It was like a static. He entered all that stuff and it was a static risk score that he got back. But I’m talking about him where he was like, “Yes, no. Yes, no.” And it had nothing to do with the risk assessment, but it was his own internal like… Even though the risk was there, he’s like, “But I wanna be with her. I don’t care about all that stuff.”

0:04:28.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Right. Right.

0:04:28.8 Lauri Wakefield: Anyway. I didn’t mean to interrupt you, but…

0:04:31.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, no. That’s fine. Yeah. That’s actually kind of a good example. So, as you mentioned. I have the defined Ajna. And with the defined Ajna, there’s a fixed and reliable way of processing and interpreting information that is individual to me obviously, and others that has a defined Ajna. But that’s kind of why we love to research is because of that conceptualization and all that goes on with that defined Ajna. But also there can be this tendency to have this obsessive thinking over and over and getting kinda caught in a loop of trying to figure things out. And there can be this feeling you need to take action on the mind’s concepts about your personal situation, which only leads to resistance because it’s not there for making decisions. And something to watch for too with the defined Ajna is if you’re putting pressure on others to… Especially those that are undefined, to think like you or to have certainty like you, or when you’re influencing that you’re influencing them because their mind is open and you can kind of input what you think.

0:06:01.0 Leslee Wegleitner: So that’s kind of a fun thing that I’ve been playing with. And I’ve been pretty aware of that, especially with my younger child. So, that’s just something to be aware of. And just to go into some healthy aspects of a defined Ajna to kinda watch for. So you speak from your mind but you recognize the process and speak and acknowledge in the way that you are to process, to have your mental process. And also you inspire in a beneficial way to create pressure for others to think and using their mind as their authority. Oh, I’m sorry. And using your mind for the authority of others in that processing. And so in an unhealthy state, you’re still speaking your mind but you’re using it for decision-making also. And then there’s a feeling of being inadequate or being a hypocrite because it’s hard for you to follow through on the words that you’re using because you’re trying to use it as a tool for yourself. And once again, the obsessive thinking and trying to know the answers for self is kind of the unhealthy state. So I’m gonna give an example of my configuration with my Ajna, and I have the channel 64-47 which defines my head and my Ajna.

0:07:27.3 Leslee Wegleitner: And the Gate 47 is connected to the Ajna. I have Gate 4, and then I have Gate 43 also that’s a part of the Ajna. And what I can tell you is I’m always going into the past experiences with that 64-47, and it’s also abstract. So it’s about past experiences, but then the Gate 4 tries to formulize and make sense of the chaos and it’s a part of the logic stream. So it wants to find the pattern of what happened in the past experience. And then with that 43, I’m waiting for the insight. So this loop is happening of the past experience, and I’m trying to make sense of it and logically understand the…

0:08:16.4 Lauri Wakefield: So that’s another Gate. You’re talking about the Gate 43. That’s another Gate. Yeah.

0:08:19.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. So the Gate 43 is the last one that I have defined in the Ajna. So the insight that will come and its individual circuitry for me will bring kind of the ahas. But the interesting thing is, I don’t have access to the throat. So what happens with me is I can get in this loop and I can get insights, but I don’t necessarily… Am I able to communicate it? And then I’ll sometimes have a concern that [laughter] what I’m saying to someone and they’re like going, “What”? Because I’m doing the processing. Because if you go into some of the fears, the 43 is about having the fear that people are not gonna understand and having the anxiety about that. So that’s what I’m finding my process to be and it’s been really a fun thing to really play in.

0:09:21.6 Leslee Wegleitner: I’m a Virgo also, so I can tend to be in my mind and I want to figure things out naturally too. But yeah, and then the clarity that can come through when everything, the dust settles or I’m with people that can help me connect that head and Ajna to the throat, I can usually have some sense. But like I spoke about before, it’s over time. So, depending on what I’m trying to make sense of, if it’s something simple or if it’s something a major life event. It can be months. And I’m also emotionally defined. So, learning to really surrender to this process and not push it forward and to be content and patient has really been an interesting process that I’m learning. [laughter] So yeah, I think that’s all I have to say about my experience with that.

0:10:31.8 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. So, okay, so mine’s undefined. I actually, I have one Gate defined in Gate 4. And it’s like my head Center. I don’t know, if anyone who’s listening now listened to… There were a couple of episodes where I talked about it, where… It’s called a dorm in a gate where you have a defined Gate in an open Center. So it’s like plugging something into a socket. So it doesn’t really… It just hangs there unless there’s something activating it like a transit or somebody that you’re around who… For me it would be somebody who has the Gate 63 defined. That would create the channel. But anyway, so some of the characteristics of an undefined Ajna are that there’s… People who have an undefined Ajna, they don’t have a consistent way of conceptualizing or interpreting information. But because of that, they’re also more open-minded about things and less rigid about what they think. So I know with myself, that’s something that I’ve really started to appreciate about, because I do have an open mind.

0:11:42.2 Lauri Wakefield: I have certain things that I think. There are certain beliefs that I hold, but I can listen to other people and I can… Sometimes when I’m listening I can understand where they’re coming from and it can change the way I think. I’m not that locked in sometimes, and I’m not wishy-washy. It’s just that I know that I don’t know everything. Do you know what I mean? It’s like, I know there’s a lot that I don’t know. So, it’s kind of humbling, I guess, to be to just for me to realize that there are other people who know a lot more than I do about certain things. But, so one of the fears that’s associated with the open Ajna is that, it’s a fear of being or looking uncertain in front of other people. [laughter] You know what I mean? Like, you don’t know what you think or you don’t know what to say.

0:12:31.9 Lauri Wakefield: Well, wouldn’t be to say. But you don’t know what to think or… And being around somebody who has a defined Ajna like you were talking about. The defined Ajna person can put pressure, and it’s subconsciously. It’s not like, where they’re deliberately doing, trying to manipulate anything. But in an unhealthy state, they can put pressure on somebody who has an undefined Ajna for them to be certain about what they think and sometimes they’re just not. One example that I was gonna give, and then I’ll talk about the positives and the negatives about having an open Ajna. Okay, so when… This is years ago. It was my mother-in-law from my first marriage and she was telling me on my resume, she’s like, “Oh, just put that on there. She basically embellished it. And I was like, “But I don’t know how to do it.” And she’s like, “Well, they’re not gonna know that.” I’m like, “Yeah, but I wouldn’t know.” [laughter] You know what I mean? She’s like, “Well, what I would do,” she’s like, “I would put it on there and then I just go in there and learn really fast, and then… ” You know what I mean? So they wouldn’t know that I didn’t really know how to do it.

0:13:35.4 Lauri Wakefield: For me, my way is, “I don’t know how to, but I can learn.” You know what I mean? That’s how I feel more comfortable. And I didn’t follow her advice, thank God. But [laughter] I was just like, the thoughts, how you have movies playing in your head sometimes, like, “Oh my God, I’m gonna tell ’em I know how [chuckle] to do something.” I’m gonna in there and they’re gonna look at me and be like, ‘You don’t even know what you’re doing.” [laughter] You know what I’m saying? Yeah, that’s a terrible fear. I wouldn’t wanna put myself in that position. So no, I’d rather be honest about it. But anyway, some of the negatives or… Not self behaviors, or in an unhealthy state would be pretending to be certain or placing a high value on certainty when somebody who has an open Ajna can’t have that. They’re just not fixed. They’re not designed that way. But once they can accept that their mind doesn’t work consistently or in a fixed way, then they’re okay with not feeling the need to be certain.

0:14:31.0 Lauri Wakefield: Some of the positives are that people with an open Ajna can be great thinkers and they can look at… If you have a bunch of different possibilities or a bunch of different things going on, they can pick out the things that really matter from that mess. [laughter] You know what I mean? And sort it out. And I find that my… And especially… Well, no, it wouldn’t have to do with the Ajna. But yeah, I think that’s something I do well with. But we were talking yesterday too about how… And I don’t wanna confuse people or get into things that are not directly related to the Ajna Center, but it’s just kind of an interesting thing. ‘Cause, there are conundrums in the charts. Just things that… Okay, well, this but then not so because of that or different because… You know what I mean?

0:15:17.9 Lauri Wakefield: Different things influencing sometimes that make things… I don’t know. Well, I’ll give you an example. Okay, so when we talk about the variables, if you have a chart printed… Or not a chart printed. If you order a chart or have gone into like a free chart, a lot of times they’re gonna have four arrows up top. So the arrows can point either left or right. So my two top arrows point left. So I’m left-brained, so I’m very logical, I’m very organized, I’m very systematic. I’m very… I just think. I think a lot and it’s kind of like… It’s weird how that works with having an open Ajna. So now Leslee for you, you have a defined Ajna, but you’re right pointing.

0:16:04.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:16:05.7 Lauri Wakefield: With actually with all your arrows, except the second one, the bottom left.

0:16:11.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Right. And so that makes me feel… And also my one channel that defines the Head in the Ajna 64-47 is conscious and unconscious. So that also I’m not always consciously aware that those centers are defined and then I have the right variables, which is all receptive. So the feeling of being overwhelmed with information and trying to process and all that. I have tendencies to be able to have that experience, which is more of the open Ajna.

0:16:47.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, it’s interesting.

0:16:50.3 Leslee Wegleitner: It is. So it can kind of… I’m able to have some compassion [laughter] and a slight understanding, but yet I definitely can see how I process my information.

0:17:05.2 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:17:06.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. So it’s a fun little experiment. And I also, I’m very aware of people with the open Ajna like my son and my partner. If I start barreling questions, just asking ’em questions, asking them questions, I can see just like, “Oh my gosh, I’m getting overwhelmed.” [laughter]

0:17:29.8 Lauri Wakefield: “I’m ready to leave now.” [laughter]

0:17:31.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:17:32.9 Lauri Wakefield: “See you later.”

0:17:33.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Especially when I even text him three questions in a row, his response will be, “That’s a lot of questions,” and he won’t answer anything. [laughter]

0:17:39.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Yeah.

0:17:42.4 Leslee Wegleitner: So I’ve had to learn on that one. Not everyone’s brain rattles that fast and just “Okay, take a breath, ask one at a time.” [chuckle]

0:17:51.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Do you think mine… ‘Cause you and I interact a lot even sometimes with messaging. Do I do that to you sometimes? Even though I have an undefined Ajna or an open Ajna, do I…

0:18:02.1 Leslee Wegleitner: You do.

0:18:02.1 Lauri Wakefield: Rattle a lot of questions? Yeah, I do. [laughter] Probably…

0:18:02.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. But I wonder if it’s ’cause you’re…

0:18:07.9 Lauri Wakefield: Strategizing. Yeah.

0:18:08.6 Leslee Wegleitner: You’re strategizing. So your strategy is… You’re processing and creating a strategy for our conversations or whatever. So then I just break it down or I can… I don’t know. It is fascinating though ’cause…

0:18:26.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:18:27.0 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s not so black and white.

0:18:29.2 Lauri Wakefield: It’s not.

0:18:30.9 Leslee Wegleitner: It really…

0:18:31.1 Lauri Wakefield: It’s not. And like you were saying too, with the conscious and the unconscious, the left and the right side of the chart. The body versus the personality side of the chart. The red or the black. So the red is the unconscious and that really can make those gates or those channels that are defined. Sometimes some things that aren’t that apparent to us who have them, it’s something that other people on the outside can sometimes see those tendencies before we can see them in ourselves.

0:19:02.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Right. Yep. And then if we really wanna get deep into it, the planetary influence too. Because if it’s outer planet, we may not be as aware as if it’s our moon. We’re not seeing it right.

0:19:16.9 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Exactly, exactly, more personal. Yep.

0:19:20.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:19:21.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And the outer planets too. They’re more generational, especially Neptune and Pluto, they’re more generational. So a lot of people will have those same gates defined who are within 10 to 12 years or whatever of your age, something like that. So do you have anything else that you wanna add, Leslee? Just to be aware of the time of other people.

0:19:47.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. No, I think… Yeah. No, I feel… Feels good.

0:19:56.6 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. [laughter] So…

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0:20:00.5 Leslee Wegleitner: I stuttered on that one, but yeah.

0:20:02.3 Lauri Wakefield: That’s okay. That’s all right. So that’s gonna wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining us today. And our next episode in the 9-Centered Being series, we’re gonna discuss the throat center. The interesting thing about the throat center is that it’s the only manifestation center in the body graph. Interesting, isn’t it?

0:20:22.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yes.

0:20:22.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yep. We have the awareness centers, we have the pressure centers, The… What else, Leslee? What am I thinking? The motors. Yeah.

0:20:32.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, motors. Pressure, [0:20:34.3] ____…

0:20:34.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So okay… So back to the closing that I was trying to do and then got off track. That’s how my mind works. [laughter] If you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at ‘www.alignandachievebydesign’. The show notes for this episode will be listed under Podcast Episode 18. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into the 9-Centered Being please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:21:04.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks, everyone.