0:00:00.8 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:03.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi, everyone. This is Leslee.

0:00:06.1 Lauri Wakefield: So today, we’re gonna begin our new series on the The Nine-Centered Being, which is what we mentioned last week, and we’re gonna be starting with the Head Center. And we’ll provide some information about the Head Center itself and then Leslee and I are gonna share some of our own experiences with it. So the Head Center is a center that creates… There’s a mental pressure. It’s one of the pressure centers. The other pressure center is the Root Center. So there’s a mental pressure associated with the Head Center. It’s also a place for inspiration. And one thing about the Head Center is that it’s not a motorized energy so that leads directly to action. So what happens is that the thoughts that go through the Head Center, they go from the Head Center through the Ajna to the throat center for expression or manifestation.

0:01:06.3 Lauri Wakefield: And there are three gates that are in the Head Center, the Gate 64, which is associated with confusion or trying to sort things out, make sense out of things. Gate 61, which is clarity, it’s trying to find like… Trying to answer things, trying to know things that are not known, to explore mysteries and things like that, and then Gate 63 is the gate of doubt. So only 30% of the population has a defined Head Center and then the remaining 70% have an open Head Center.

0:01:44.2 Lauri Wakefield: Another thing I was gonna say about I… And actually, I don’t even remember what I was gonna say, Leslee, so… But anyway… Isn’t that terrible? And I was thinking like last night when I was laying in bed, I was thinking… I had these things that I was gonna talk about in the podcast. And then like when I started like preparing my notes and stuff like that, I’m like, “What the heck was I thinking about last night?” I don’t even remember. Yeah, that’s like me though, that’s… With an open Head Center, it’s like thinking about all these things that don’t matter. Yeah.

0:02:18.2 Lauri Wakefield: So since I have the… I have an open Head Center, I was just gonna just share a little bit about that, not myself, but just like about the characteristic of an open Head Center, is that it’s a variable pressure. So it’s not like a constant pressure but it’s like the pressure to answer questions like especially questions that don’t even belong. Like a person who has an open Head Center, they’ll have these questions that they’re trying to answer but they’re questions that aren’t even their own questions. So it’s just there are gonna be like a lot of a mental busyness and mental activity that doesn’t enhance their life or doesn’t make them any better off by knowing the answer to these things but… And I don’t know, we’ll get into our own experiences with it. Leslee, you wanna talk about some of the characteristics of a defined Head Center?

0:03:15.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Sure. So the defined Head Center, it just has a fixed way to understand information or how to process it. And according to the gate or the channel that’s defined or I guess that would be a defined channel, it’s gonna kinda dictate how that plays out. And we’ll talk more about that, but it’s pretty fascinating how it all works. And then the inspiration, you know, that’s kind of attached to the defined Head Center and the undefined, but it’s what yet not has been… What has not been grasped or understood. And so the questions that you’re formulating are to grasp or understand in a way that it is for you to understand, and once again determined kinda by the channels. So this pressure… Well, I guess I don’t wanna go into that quite yet because it will be in our discussion of what the differences are. But yeah, it’s very fascinating. I’m very fascinated with this because of having a defined Head Center, I don’t have the understanding of not having that. And yet there are similarities, but I know they’re very different.

0:04:38.1 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:04:39.4 Leslee Wegleitner: So maybe let’s just go into having some conversation around it, because you know like… Well, I’ll just say like in the not-self state, so like when I know I’m not kind of operating out of having a defined Head Center is when I do kind of start to feel anxiety and self-doubt and depression or I’m making decisions, the pressure is getting to me, and so I just quick jump on and don’t have the patience to wait things out, and I make inappropriate decisions. And some of those characteristics are the same with the open Head Center. So do you want to just kind of let’s go back and forth and see…

0:05:22.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I was gonna talk about… So I have two gates defined in the Head Center, and you have… You actually have a channel, so you just have the one gate, the 64, but I have the 64 and the 61. And the 61 is actually in my conscious sun. So it’s pretty prominent in my chart. But the thing that’s interesting, and I’ve mentioned this on a couple of different episodes, with having… And you don’t have… The only center that you have open is completely open, you have no defined gates. So the two centers that I have open, they actually both have some definition, some gate defined. But in a… Excuse me. In a center that’s open, but there’s a defined gate, the energy from that gate, it’s kind of like if you plug something into a light socket, like if you have a lamp, and it’s not plugged in then the light’s not gonna turn on until you plug it in. Does it… You know what I’m saying?

0:06:22.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:06:23.3 Lauri Wakefield: So like with the dormant [laughter] gate it just kinda hangs there sometimes until it gets, like… It gets that spark. But I… Like I know, okay, so my gate is 64, actually my husband defines it. He’s got the 64-47 like you do. But then like the gate 61, that one, and this is so interesting ’cause I was talking to someone who’s like really very, very knowledgeable about human design and asking her about like, “Do you think that transits affect… Like even though We talk about sometimes transits affecting… Like they’ll define a gate that’s not defined in your chart, just through… That’ll be… It’s like a temporary activation.

0:07:04.6 Lauri Wakefield: So like even when you have a definition there, and there’s a transit or maybe you’re around somebody who has a defined… It can still make it more… Felt more. So like Pluto’s been going through gate 61 for me. Well, it’s been going through like not just for me for a lot of people for everything. [laughter] But I’ll tell you, and I don’t know… Well, you don’t have 61 but it’s been a tough transit for me. I don’t know if you’ve experienced that with anything. I mean, that’s kind of getting off the topic of the Head Center, but yeah so like with my Gate 61 I know that the thing about thinking about things that don’t matter, oh my gosh, like I could raise my hand, yes I do that like a lot. But then there are things too, and it’s like… One of the other characteristics is like to know… Wanting to know the unknowable. And I know for myself like I decided a long time ago there that there are things that I’ll never know, and I don’t need to waste my time and energy trying to know. You know what I mean?

0:08:16.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:08:17.0 Lauri Wakefield: Like trying to pursue that. So I’m able to let some of that stuff go. But yeah, like the thinking about things that don’t matter, oh yeah, I do that at times. So anyway, yeah, so you wanna share a little bit about your experience?

0:08:31.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, I do have the 64-47. And so it kind of really brings you… The 64-47 will bring you down the path of like kind of an emotional like reflecting on the past. And this has been so in my awareness as I’m going down with all this human design stuff, just acknowledging it. And it’s kind of fascinating because it is a fixed way I process. And so when I listen to other people that maybe have, like you said, the 61 and then your husband hooks you up and that activates your 61 also and just know mysteries, and it’s kind of being more in the present time, and know…

0:09:22.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, Leslee, I was just gonna say it’s a 64-47. But yeah, he’s got that. He doesn’t have the 61-24. Yeah.

0:09:29.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, I’m sorry. I meant 64-47. And you having… And that turns your 61 on when you’re with him, right? Because it’s… He defines your head and Ajna, yeah.

0:09:38.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:09:39.1 Leslee Wegleitner: So it’s, you know, getting in that present time and I… It’s really… You know I just… You always think everybody’s processing like you’re processing.

0:09:52.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:09:52.9 Leslee Wegleitner: And then you realize, “Wow, they have no idea what I’m talking about.” But and then that’s kind of where that inspiration can come in, and it’s like, here, you’re taking in this information as a defined Head Center like the whole cosmic field of consciousness or the whole everything around you, and then you’re gonna filter it into like how you’re gonna see that. And so for me it’s the past. So I might see something in front of me and then I reflect about it on the past, and then I can kind of make an observation or something from that. But I can also get caught in the spin of trying to figure it out, and the pressure of having to know right now what’s happening and not using the surrendering and really allowing it to come to the surface and using my strategy and authority to let it all unfold.

0:10:48.9 Leslee Wegleitner: And it’s everyone’s doing the same thing. It’s just in their design and how it comes forward for them. But it is connected to that pineal gland and which is, as we know, on a spiritual level it is that connection to consciousness, right? And so what I’ve been realizing is when I am spinning and not in a thought process or I’m caught up in some emotional something, I block the inspiration that can come to me through the cosmic field. And so it’s… I can kind of… I’m grasping the importance of how do you hone that in and kind of depressurize that and let things go and surrender to the process and then let things unfold without making that decision from the mind and letting things kind of organically just happen.

0:11:53.8 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Yeah. It’s interesting, and I know that that’s one of the things we talked about in the Master Your Decision-Making course that we created, which I’ll mention at the end as we’re getting ready to close. But just how the mind, you know, the chatter of the mind and the busyness, how it can divert us and distract us, and the way to… The way around it obviously is to follow your strategy and authority, which sometimes it’s not always that easy, but when you can, then your mind is gonna be directed toward the things that do truly matter. And it’s gonna… You know, the other things they might pass through your mind but they’re not gonna be… You’re not gonna cling onto them as much. You know what I’m saying?

0:12:37.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Right so it’s kind of like recognizing triggers that are maybe like putting you into that spin or…

0:12:43.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I think recognition’s definitely… Yeah, definitely important, yeah.

0:12:48.0 Leslee Wegleitner: And then that eye inside your head that’s claiming that it knows exactly what’s happening.

0:12:54.0 Lauri Wakefield: The mind’s powerful, no doubt.

0:13:00.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, so it’s just kinda like well, yeah, so it’s… The 61, when you were talking about that transit, when that did come in though, I did notice a lot more anxiety.

0:13:11.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yes, yes.

0:13:11.9 Leslee Wegleitner: And then there was like this overload and you know it was in Pluto, so it’s about transformation.

0:13:18.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:13:19.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Transformation…

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0:13:19.6 Lauri Wakefield: Regeneration, yeah.

0:13:20.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, in the mind. And so I would sit down with the computer ready to do some stuff and it would be just like, “Oh my gosh, I’m overwhelmed, I gotta walk away [0:13:27.3] ____.

0:13:27.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, it’s been kind of ferocious. I mean, you know, and… I mean, thankfully, maybe not for everybody, but thankfully for me, it’s gonna be going into back into gate 60, the beginning of November, I think, right?

0:13:44.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, yeah. Which… Yeah.

0:13:46.2 Lauri Wakefield: Which is another pressure center, but a pressure…

0:13:46.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, and I have the three.

0:13:47.1 Lauri Wakefield: The pressure in a different way, yeah, and you have…

0:13:50.0 Leslee Wegleitner: But you know there is something to do with that head pressure. I mean…

0:13:53.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, oh yeah.

0:13:54.8 Leslee Wegleitner: You know, the body gets the pressure, and you could feel the adrenaline and you get that but it’s like you can go for a brisk walk, right.

0:14:01.9 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly, exactly. You can workout. Yeah.

0:14:02.7 Leslee Wegleitner: [0:14:03.3] ____ that head pressure, it’s a whole another ball game. It’s like…

0:14:07.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, exactly what you do to shake it. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean either the defined or the open Head Center are gonna have feel that pressure. At times, if they’re not… And that’s what it is. It’s basically what we call the not-self, which means that you’re not following your strategy, authority, or living in an alignment, but I mean it’s… Everybody’s guilty of it. It’s not like you ever get to the point where you’re not… Where you’re like totally perfect and totally living completely in alignment with who you are. That’s just what we strive for and…

0:14:44.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:14:47.4 Lauri Wakefield: But yeah, that pressure, that pressure, it can be ferocious.

0:14:48.0 Leslee Wegleitner: And I think that’s why that recognition comes into play and…

0:14:52.2 Lauri Wakefield: Oh yeah.

0:14:52.5 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s like, oh, then it is again, and you can just kind of step back and like…

0:14:56.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, and where you can observe your own thoughts and then just kinda detach from them and just allow the thoughts to just go through and not try to hang onto them or try to control them or try to figure things out. You know just allow the process in your mind to evolve and just you know, you know what I’m saying? And…

0:15:18.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:15:18.6 Lauri Wakefield: Because that’s when we put pressure on ourselves to try to figure it out, to try to come up with the answer, to try to relieve the pressure there. That’s what doesn’t work. That’s what gets us caught up and by feeling stressed out, yeah, getting bored out, you know, yeah.

0:15:34.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. And I’ve been playing with this a lot because what I’m realizing is kind of what I was describing earlier, is that chaos is actually blocking the answers.

0:15:47.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yes, yep.

0:15:49.1 Leslee Wegleitner: So it’s like so important to just surrender to that mind and let it do its chatter and let it do its thing.

0:15:58.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yep. That’s right. That’s right.

0:15:58.1 Leslee Wegleitner: And have the information come in. ‘Cause sometimes it’s good and the other part is…

0:16:00.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:16:01.8 Leslee Wegleitner: When the information comes in, it doesn’t mean I have to do anything with it.

0:16:06.1 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:16:06.4 Leslee Wegleitner: I don’t have to share it like if I get information, and I don’t have to share it with other people, I don’t have to write it down. I don’t have to think I have to do something with it.

0:16:14.7 Lauri Wakefield: Right, exactly, exactly.

0:16:16.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:16:18.5 Lauri Wakefield: You know what I was thinking though, like this is like an analogy that’s like completely unrelated to the Head Center but how we were talking about last time like with a reflector and how like… It’s like a this… I don’t know, I don’t even know if I should really say this ’cause it might be confusing to people who are listening, but it’s like that cross-breeze, you know what I mean? Like where you just let the thoughts come in, you let them come in, you let them do what they’re gonna do, and then allow the process to evolve so that you come up with the answer without forcing it, you know. So I mean I get… I don’t know, like I don’t know why I was saying… I mean, I do know why I was saying reflector, but reflectors are gonna have all open centers, but just like not hanging onto it is basically kind of what I was trying to say.

0:17:02.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:17:03.3 Lauri Wakefield: Did that make sense or was that confusing?

0:17:04.2 Leslee Wegleitner: It did. Nope. That made sense.

0:17:08.4 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:17:09.5 Leslee Wegleitner: And I think we’re all human and it’s gonna be a lifelong journey of no, [0:17:10.9] ____.

0:17:11.0 Lauri Wakefield: But I’ll tell you the brain can definitely wear you out. The mind and… Yeah.

0:17:16.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, exactly.

0:17:19.6 Lauri Wakefield: So you’re ready to wrap things up or kinda…

0:17:22.6 Leslee Wegleitner: I am.

0:17:24.0 Lauri Wakefield: We try to keep these so that they’re listenable to… For people who are busy. Okay. So I was gonna say before I get into the closing part of it, is Leslee and I are offering a… Like for a limited amount of time, we’re offering a free course, it’s called… It’s a free video course called Master Your Decision-Making. So if you go to our website, there’s up in the menu bar, you’ll see something that courses and programs and you can enroll in it that way. And I’ll also include a link to it in the show notes and on… Well, on the show notes and the page and then in the description for people who are listening to it like on Google or Apple or one of the other podcast platforms.

0:18:12.4 Lauri Wakefield: But for this episode, I think that’s gonna wrap things up. And just wanted to say thanks so much for joining us today. And in the next episode we’re gonna be talking about the Ajna center and in the The Nine-Centered Being series. So if you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under Podcasts. Sometimes I talk so fast, I roll my words together. It will be listed under Podcasts Episode 17. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into The Nine-Centered Being, please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:18:53.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everyone.