0:00:02.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay.

0:00:03.5 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:05.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi everyone. I’m Leslee.

0:00:06.7 Lauri Wakefield: So our guest today, her name is Deborah Chenoweth Wilson. Am I saying that correctly?

0:00:13.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: It’s Chelette.

0:00:14.8 Lauri Wakefield: Chelette. Why did I say Chenoweth? Sorry.

0:00:18.6 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: That’s okay.

0:00:19.6 Lauri Wakefield: Botched your name up before we even get going. Yeah. So, so, we’re gonna, we’re gonna have, Deborah talk about her journey with what she does. Deborah is a, she’s a licensed professional counselor. She’s a certified HeartMath practitioner, certified life and parent coach, and a Clear Your Beliefs practitioner. She specializes right now in stress and trauma, and she’s written over 20 books. So, welcome Deborah.

0:00:49.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Welcome.

0:00:49.5 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Glad to be here.

0:00:53.8 Lauri Wakefield: So, do you wanna just kinda give just a, like an idea of what your journey’s been with what you actually do for your career?

0:01:05.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, I started out with, I guess my family. My mother was, my first client. And my family was my group because I was always the one who was trying to help and care for everybody and take care of things. And, also my friends would be, I was the one they always came to to say, can you help me with this and talk about their problems? And so I guess I was a good listener. But anyway, people were just attracted to me to share more than I ever asked for.

0:01:41.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And that’s really become a sacred trust. For a long time I thought they were just being nice, and then I realized, no, there’s something more going on here. That people feel something in me that they respond to and they feel safe with and they trust. And so I just decided finally, probably in about my mid 30s after I got through with a divorce and 10 and a half years of an abusive relationship and healing from all of that, went to school to become a licensed professional counselor and just do what I had been doing and get paid for it. It’s like, Why not just do it all in one fell swoop?

0:02:26.5 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Yeah. So, when you were talking about that people would come to you, so they kind of recognized you as somebody who had wisdom about things. Is that kind of the way you felt? Like they just…

0:02:39.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, yeah. I wasn’t sure why they were doing it. I just knew they did. I don’t know that I really thought that I had a lot of wisdom. I felt like I had a lot of intuition, but.

0:02:49.6 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:02:49.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: I don’t know that as a kid growing up and even as a young woman, I could even be in a store and people would come and ask me something about the store.

0:03:00.7 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:03:00.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay.

0:03:00.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And…

0:03:01.5 Lauri Wakefield: So yeah, go ahead. That’s really interesting though because, well, before we got on the call, Leslee and I were talking to you about your profile, which is a 3-5 profile, so actually the Line 5 is like where you’re recognized as someone who’s a teacher or somebody who has wisdom. But it’s on your unconscious side. So it may not have been something that like, especially at that time that you really even thought much about. You know what I mean? It was just…

0:03:30.2 Leslee Wegleitner: And then…

0:03:31.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah. But in retrospect as I did a lot of healing work in my own development, I began to realize that it was just that, that’s just who I am. It’s how I came in the world. ‘Cause it started so young. It just all of people responding to me. I didn’t understand it. And part of my lack of understanding myself came from the experience, the traumatic experience that as I a child developmentally. So I had to process through that. And then a 10 and a half year marriage where I continued to have more experiences of not knowing who I was and thinking something was wrong with me because of the way the other people were acting. So it’s taken a while. I wish it… It’s been a not a straight line of a journey. It’s been all over the place.

0:04:33.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Which the three kind of brings that in with all the different experiences, but that’s how the wisdom comes about, right? If it was…

0:04:42.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yes. ‘Cause everything that I’ve experienced, there’s been some learning. Even as a child, I can remember whenever I would have something that was hurtful or confusing, there was like this voice in my head that there’s something to learn from this.

0:04:57.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yep.

0:05:00.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Even very young. And it’s like maybe in the last maybe 10 years, I’m beginning to kind of reconnect with what was present for me that I didn’t really understand. And now I’m embracing myself, embracing who I really am. And not being so scared of it. ‘Cause knowing things that before they happen was another thing that happened to me as a kid. And that’s kind of scary when you don’t have somebody to help you realize that that’s just intuition. It’s just a part of being an intuitive being and we all have that. But when you’re a child and you’re… It’s a little scary, but I’m getting over being scared of myself.

0:05:44.9 Leslee Wegleitner: And then when we talked about twos is your incarnation crosses the vessel of love. So the big umbrella of why you’re here, your purpose is around universal love and the, principle of loving oneself. So, kinda what you’re talking about. It fits very well with that. And I think sometimes, we don’t get that foundation, through the family because we’re here to learn self-love. So that’s how you bring it always back to self.

0:06:17.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I was gonna add to that too. Another part of that, a part of the incarnation process is just being able to recognize the differences in other people and to like appreciate them and not feel like everybody needs to be the same. And to try to encourage and empower others to accept themselves for who they are.

0:06:38.9 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah. And see, I was an Air Force brat, so I was able to meet a lot of different people from different cultures and different backgrounds. And lived in different states and lived in England. And, so that again, it was like, for me, in my experience, it’s like we’re different and that’s okay. It wasn’t I was afraid of difference in people. And sometimes it’s been difficult for me to understand why people are so shut off.

0:07:11.6 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:07:12.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Instead of with… And they’re kind of inside their head with their beliefs about people. Instead of kind of opening up and carefully being with that person, really getting to know them before they really make a decision. That first impression is not always correct.

0:07:32.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I think sometimes too, having that initial… And when we talk about prejudice, prejudice is just prejudging people. It has nothing to do with specifically with race or, anything, gender or sex, whatever. It doesn’t have… It’s just prejudging people. And so I think sometimes you can have that tendency, but if you keep it, ’cause everybody’s got prejudice, everybody does.

0:08:00.5 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah. We’ve got it in our culture.

0:08:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: But to keep open mind, to keep an open mind and to say, I’ll talk to this person and be around them and then just, you know what I’m saying? Then get to know who they are instead of thinking I know who they’re when I don’t.

0:08:17.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Right. And I didn’t realize until I worked in an emergency room that I even had prejudice because I was so open.

0:08:25.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:08:27.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: But I remember one time we had an African American that had come in, in the emergency room and they had had an accident, and so their skin was scraped and their skin was pink. And I’m like, that top layer under that top layer of the color of our of skin we’re the same pink.

0:08:48.5 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly. If it…

0:08:49.5 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And it was such a revelation to me, number one, that I would even think that because that meant that I had some prejudice.

0:09:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:09:00.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: I grew up in the south. What can I say? But I wasn’t conscious of it. Until I realized I was, and so that really, again, that kind of opened… That opened me up to recognizing that unconsciously, we’re prejudice and don’t realize it.

0:09:21.4 Lauri Wakefield: Right. And it can be for different things. It can be…

0:09:24.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yes. Exactly.

0:09:27.4 Lauri Wakefield: Sometimes like, have you ever looked at somebody and it’s like, you just don’t them? And it’s like, it has nothing to do with the… Like, nothing. It doesn’t have anything to do with the way they talk, the way they walk, with the… It’s just, you just get that feeling about them and it’s like, because maybe they reminded you of somebody or something.

0:09:42.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah.

0:09:42.9 Lauri Wakefield: But it’s like, that’s a prejudice and it could be somebody who looks similar to you. You know what I mean? Or I don’t know is…

0:09:52.3 Leslee Wegleitner: And…

0:09:52.9 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well from trauma work, oh, go ahead.

0:09:55.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh, I was just gonna bring in, so you have Gate 18, which is in the splenic center, and it’s the gate of correction or judgment. So is is it your judgment that brings about a correction? Because that’s what that channel is all about. It’s about pointing out what’s wrong and what could be improved. So it is kind of, it’s a fine line to like, am I judging this or am I opening up to see this in a bigger picture because I wanna correct it. I’m seeing something that’s not quite in alignment with maybe just self or in alignment with the universe. So I find that, and it’s in your Saturn, which represents a discipline, responsibility and structure. And so, you may feel like this responsibility to correct or improve things. And that feeds into your intuitive sense that goes… Which is part of the splenic center also.

0:10:52.4 Leslee Wegleitner: And it goes up to the identity center. And that’s all about perfected form. And it’s a pretty, intuitive and individual channel. That once again, it’s associated with potential for self-love and the love of itself. So, here you’ve got this island because these two centers are connected and they don’t connect to the other two islands you have ’cause you’re a triple split we were talking about. But that’s pretty, it’s pretty strong in your chart. So it’s kind of like you’re designed to really see these things and call it a judgment or a correction. And then to pull out from your wisdom of all your different experiences is like, how can I improve this? What was uneasy? What was I feeling that was uneasy within self that I wanna bring forward, for others to improve?

0:11:45.0 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Right. Yeah. And so that’s part of the work I do. I’ve done, for myself in healing my own trauma and then realizing that, it wasn’t just me, because we kind of think it’s just us, and then realizing how many people are really suffering and don’t realize it. And with trauma work, we get triggered, our sensory system gets triggered by anything through sight. Our hearing, our, smell, taste, so anything through the senses, if it’s similar enough, it doesn’t have to be exactly the same, but it’s like, if someone hurt you that had brown hair, you may react to people that have brown hair.

0:12:30.6 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly. Yeah.

0:12:31.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And not realize what it is. So it’s…

0:12:34.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:12:35.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: More of a trauma trigger. And part of the work that I do is helping people recognize what triggers them so that they can be responsible for taking responsibility for that I’m triggered and back off and use tools to often and look at things… Step back and look at things from bigger perspective.

0:13:03.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. When we were talking about prejudice, I think sometimes, a lot of people like, they’ll go to race with it, but you can be prejudiced against people who have different political beliefs.

0:13:14.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Oh yeah. Well, a lot of that’s going on right now. Yeah.

0:13:18.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, definitely. So most of your work then is done one-to-one or just yourself with people like consultation types of things, or?

0:13:31.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah. I’m all totally virtual now. [0:13:35.0] ____ platform.

0:13:35.1 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. And then you have some… I’m sorry. You have some courses that you offer though too, right?

0:13:41.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, I’ve offered one and now I’m in the process of revamping it because as I mentioned earlier, I feel like I’m in this liminal space where the more spiritual side of me wants to be expressed and have that energy in more in what I’m doing. Instead of kind of the traditional trauma training. I just to have… I’m expanding. What can I say?

0:14:12.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:14:15.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And I wanna bring that because I feel like what’s missing, especially since is our relationship to ourself doesn’t really get… I don’t see it in the trauma stuff. I’m thinking about it as that it’s, we’re a human being, but we’re a soul. I think that who we are is a soul. We come into the world.

0:14:38.4 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:14:40.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: In this human vessel.

0:14:41.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:14:41.6 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And then we’re under the three dimensional reality that we come into and it covers us up and is so much distraction and noise that we don’t hear the soulful part of ourselves.

0:14:55.5 Lauri Wakefield: Right, yeah. Before we got on the call, you were saying something, ’cause I asked you about trauma. I don’t remember exactly what my question was, but you were just saying that we like we are all… We all have trauma from basically from the time we’re born, there’s trauma that enters in and it kind of masks who we are over time, it definitely does.

0:15:18.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah. Well, actually we… It’s starting to come out more, but, there’s collective trauma. In my background, I’m Cajun and there’s a lot of collective trauma in that line of human beings that stand behind me. And then we have intergenerational trauma, so that’s the part of the intergenerational trauma. I don’t know since the Oklahoma City bombing, I began to realize that so many things have happened since then of a violent nature that I don’t see how we don’t have collective trauma in this country like we’ve never had before.

0:16:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And I… Go ahead, Leslee.

0:16:03.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, the purpose, I think the trauma’s purpose is to bring us back to self. I think that’s why we’re so in it right now. I think collectively, that’s what we’re all trying to do, like how can we bring it back to self and not be triggered in the responses that we have. And kind of balance that all out. Our environment is gonna always have key points that are gonna kind of help us learn through that or help us have a internal gauge or go, Oh, okay, there it is again. To reflect on and to mirror what we’re going through. So to say we can never have trauma like you were saying is kind…

0:16:48.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. It’s not gonna happen.

0:16:49.5 Leslee Wegleitner: We would stop learning, we would stop evolving.

0:16:52.5 Lauri Wakefield: You know another thing.

0:16:53.3 Leslee Wegleitner: [0:16:53.3] ____ have trauma.

0:16:55.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, exactly, trauma in quotation marks.

0:17:00.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:17:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So, one thing I was gonna say, and I think it was on our last podcast we did about, or maybe just you and I were talking about it, Leslee, but about how… No, we were talking to somebody else. About, I believe that we’re not only brought… We don’t only experience trauma in this lifetime, but there’s like ancestrally through our DNA, we carry it. You know what I mean? What our ancestors and, whether or not they’re gaslighting or never, the DNA part of it, I do believe that that we bring some of that into this world.

0:17:36.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, yeah. Actually, there’s been a lot of studies that support that and actually trauma can begin at conception.

0:17:44.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:17:46.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: When you think of it in at physiologically.

0:17:49.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:17:50.6 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: At the physiological level, because especially even if a mother is stressed during her pregnancy, those stress hormones she’s having experiencing are going through the placenta…

0:18:03.3 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:18:03.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Into the fetus. And so we’re so ignorant about really Human Design and Human Development. And the lack of knowing of… Really, there’s no school for soulfulness. And I just feel like that’s what’s missing and that’s what’s going on, is saying there’s more to us than what we think.

0:18:30.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:18:32.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Leslee could definitely talk about that because Leslee, she does light language. You can just tell her what that is, Leslee…

0:18:42.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. So it’s a language of the soul. So when I speak it, and then people have that connection they don’t understand it, but it gets their mind out of the way. And then the soul just directly receives the information.

0:18:58.0 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And you call that what?

0:19:00.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Light language.

0:19:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: L-I-G-H-T, light language. It’s kind of like, if you were to hear it, it kind of sounds like somebody is speaking in tongues.

0:19:12.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:19:12.8 Lauri Wakefield: Because it can sound like gibberish. But you can’t try to understand it through hearing it, you know what I’m saying? And try to decipher what it is. You have to receive it spiritually.

0:19:24.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: It’s like an energy.

0:19:25.9 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah…

0:19:25.9 Lauri Wakefield: Energetically, yeah.

0:19:27.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: It has a different energy.

0:19:29.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. There’s like codes that are transmuted through the…

0:19:32.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, if you were to listen to Leslee ’cause some of them can probably be a little bit… Leslee is easy to listen to, because it’s very gentle. And just kind of… I don’t know how I would describe it, but it’s…

0:19:49.4 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s like a… I speak the root language. So, I can tap into other galactic energies or earth energies also, and that’s where you get the variation of the different tones to it. So some people are tapping into their specific, where they’re from. So maybe it’s [0:20:09.8] ____ or maybe it’s earthly beings. And so you get that different dialect to it.

0:20:14.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, dialect to it.

0:20:17.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. So, with the root language, and it’s very connected to the divine feminine ’cause that’s what we are bringing in so much right now. It’s pretty soft, I’ve described as the, “iron fist with the white glove,” so it has a big impact, but it’s soft, and then it’s when the person’s ready too, there’s no force to it, so it’s, yeah… Anyways, that’s just another…

0:20:44.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So, anyway, yeah. So we wanna get back to you, Deborah, ’cause we invited you to be our guest.

0:20:51.0 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yes.

0:20:52.4 Lauri Wakefield: So, okay. So what made you, maybe you already answered it, but when you got on that journey into wanting to help other people, was there anything that specifically led to it, or was it something you had thought about for a while or and also how has it changed over time? You know what I’m saying? What you first went into when you first wanted to help people. It’s probably evolved into other, like branched out in different directions.

0:21:21.9 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, I started out doing a lot of different kinds of work. And I don’t know, something kept pushing me but wherever I was, what I finally got is, it doesn’t matter what I do, who I am will be helpful to whoever’s there.

0:21:46.1 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:21:48.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yes.

0:21:49.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: So I was just, I don’t know, I felt a little ping pong ball when I got married at 17, and wasn’t sure what to do, but thought I knew it all.

0:22:01.4 Lauri Wakefield: You and your rebellious self.

0:22:03.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah. And so I went from job to job different things. I’ve worked in the medical profession. I’ve worked in banking. I was a firefighter. I was an EMT, I worked in a hospital.

0:22:18.3 Lauri Wakefield: Wow. Okay.

0:22:19.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: I worked in a nursing homes. I was in a dropout prevention program, Leslee is like…

0:22:25.3 Lauri Wakefield: Wow. Gosh, definitely different lines, yeah, yeah.

0:22:32.9 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And I was a child advocacy, I worked at a child advocacy center and did the child abuse interviews, and worked for mental healths services, before I finally went into my own company in 2005. So everything I’ve done, in retrospect, and as I came to appreciate myself and got out of my head from the collective, what my culture said I should be doing as a woman, and I should be doing in my career, and I should get one thing and stick with it, when I got that out of the way, I could look back on my path and see that I was always doing what I came here to do. I just did it in different ways.

0:23:23.7 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:23:24.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:23:24.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And so that was real settling for me and grounding for me to where it’s just up to me what I wanna do because I will be me wherever I go. And that who I am, the soulfulness of who I am is a loving, caring presence and have a deep compassion for humanity.

0:23:48.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. That’s one thing I was gonna say too, is that I don’t think I said when I was mentioning on one of your gates, but it’s about like people can feel the love from you when they’re in your aura, or when they’re in your presence, ’cause you emit it. Energetically, it’s not something that you’re thinking about, you just do.

0:24:07.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah.

0:24:08.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:24:11.0 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: I’m finally accepting that.

0:24:11.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely powerful. Definitely love is very powerful. Yeah.

0:24:16.9 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, it also includes, and I think what has helped too is to be more self-loving to myself.

0:24:22.6 Lauri Wakefield: Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. You have to. Yeah.

0:24:25.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yeah, to reconnect with that soulful part of myself and memories from my childhood and what that was like, for me to, even in the midst of the trauma I was living in, I had joy and peace and calm and I… It was just such a mixed bag, I just didn’t… I didn’t have the human development to understand everything. I was just kinda taking stuff in and just having these experiences.

0:25:00.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I was gonna say too, I think sometimes when we talk about self love, it can sound like, I don’t know, maybe self-serving or all about you and stuff like that. When I think about self-love to me, I didn’t create myself, you know what I’m saying? I was created, I’m a created being and I… To love who I am, not because of who I created… Do you know what I’m saying? Does that make sense?

0:25:27.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Yes. Yeah.

0:25:28.0 Lauri Wakefield: It’s what I was given when I was born here.

0:25:32.0 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, valuing who you are, valuing how you…

0:25:36.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:25:37.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: That you were created and you were given this life.

0:25:39.6 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly.

0:25:40.9 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And to have gratitude for that and…

0:25:42.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:25:42.7 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: It all makes… I still feel gratitude for my life and for… I realize everything I went through, no matter how difficult it was. From the humanness of me. That my soul was always there, I just didn’t always connect to it.

0:26:02.5 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:26:03.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: ‘Cause there was so much human drama got covered over, which confused me as to who I really was.

0:26:10.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:26:11.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: But there was always like, some little piece would keep me going. It was like, I feel like I’m in and out of my soulfulness and my humanness.

0:26:20.3 Lauri Wakefield: Funny, yeah.

0:26:21.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And I wanna get that balanced place to just be in the soulfulness of myself living my human life, as maybe a guide for other people to do the same thing, to see that this is part of ourselves that we aren’t connecting to and we need to. Desperately.

0:26:41.2 Lauri Wakefield: It’s that perception or that flip of the perception to know that the challenges are really a part of the destiny, because that’s what brings you back home, right? That’s what… That’s the connection between the 3D or the human self and the soul. And that’s the journey. So if you can flip the perspective, and this is being done to me, this is ruining me, this is whatever, and flip it to like, it’s here for…

0:27:12.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: What can I…

0:27:15.3 Lauri Wakefield: There’s a… Right.

0:27:15.6 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: What can I learn from it? Yeah.

0:27:15.9 Lauri Wakefield: What am I learning from it? And then moving forward, and that’s, I think the aspect of that soul coming in and having the compassion for self and then using that to evolve and then go forth within the journey of helping others.

0:27:29.4 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, and one of the things that gets in the way of that… From working with the clients that I work with is the developmental wounds that we get in our childhood because of the lack of understanding of child developmental needs. Especially the emotional ones.

0:27:47.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:27:48.0 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: We really just are very illiterate about that. We’re illiterate about emotions, and we’re illiterate about the impact of trauma, and it… It’s not necessarily abuse, if you yell at your kid, people don’t think that’s abuse. But in the experience of that little child, that is… That hurts them. Because developmentally they don’t understand, they’re not making that happen, ’cause that’s a developmental stage we go through, is we believe that we’re making everything happen, good, bad, or indifferent. And that’s a developmental stage, and if we don’t have help to guide us through that to realize, No, this is that person. They’re having a problem. Don’t make it yours. If we don’t have any help with that, then we just carry all the mess with us.

0:28:42.0 Lauri Wakefield: Right. Yeah. So I would probably…

0:28:45.1 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Because the human content development is messy.

0:28:47.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yes.

0:28:47.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, it is. I was just gonna say, Leslee, I don’t know about you, we should probably wrap things up, because we actually have someone else we have to meet with in about an hour. And also we try to keep, I think we’ve probably gone over 35 minutes, which is fine because we’ve had a really good conversation, so.

0:29:05.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:29:08.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, so Deborah, do you wanna give your website, that people can go to, to find out more about you, and then we’ll also put it in the shownotes?

0:29:17.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: No. Okay. Because it’s my name deborahchelettewilson.com. So it’s D-E-B-O-R-A-H-C-H-E-L-E-T-T-E-W-I-L-S-O-N.com. When I did that, I…

0:29:32.4 Lauri Wakefield: And it’s got… Does it… I was gonna say it… Yeah, it doesn’t have a hyphen in between, does it?

0:29:38.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: No.

0:29:38.9 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:29:39.3 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: I didn’t think so. No.

0:29:40.7 Lauri Wakefield: No. Okay. So we’ll put that in…

0:29:44.2 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And then my email address is the same thing, except it’s @gmail.com.

0:29:47.2 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Yeah. So we’ll put links in the shownotes, and then we’ll have to continue our conversation, ’cause it’s been really interesting.

0:29:58.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:29:58.2 Lauri Wakefield: It really has been.

0:29:58.5 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: And all my books are on Amazon, so, you know they can…

0:30:01.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Okay. We can link to that too. So, Leslee, did you have anything that you wanted to say before we wrap things up?

0:30:07.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Nope. I think it’s good.

0:30:10.0 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Well, thank you, Deborah for being our guest today, and…

0:30:13.8 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, thank you for helping me. This has been real fun.

0:30:16.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. And for the people who are listening, thanks so much for joining us today. In our next episode, we’ve invited someone who’s known as an aromatic alchemist to join us. Interesting, huh?

0:30:27.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. [laughter]

0:30:29.0 Lauri Wakefield: If you’d like to see the shownotes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The shownotes will be listed under podcast Episode 48. If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into topics about Human Design and other complimentary modalities, please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:30:51.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everyone.

0:30:54.6 Deborah Chelette-Wilson: Well, bye-Bye.