0:00:03.4 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:06.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi everyone. I’m Leslee.

0:00:09.0 Lauri Wakefield: So today we have a guest who is a nutritional consultant and a professional certified cancer coach. Cathy, you want to just give us a little bit of background on what you do, like who you are and what you do. Also one thing I meant to ask before we get on the call, how do you pronounce your last name?

0:00:27.8 Cathy Biase: It’s Biase.

0:00:30.0 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. Okay. Just wanted to make sure I got it right.

0:00:31.4 Cathy Biase: You did, you did.

0:00:35.4 Lauri Wakefield: Okay so.

0:00:35.6 Cathy Biase: You want me to jump in here?

0:00:36.1 Lauri Wakefield: Sure. Yep.

0:00:38.4 Cathy Biase: Okay, so in my previous life I worked in the financial area on Bay Street in Toronto and I was a broker and then worked with my dad who owned his own investment company. And then his company shut down and he got ill and his company shut down. And about three months later I was diagnosed with breast cancer. So I went through a year of treatment. And during that time I was fortunate enough to be associated with three people who really helped me on an integrative side. One with exercise, one with diet, and one was with supplementation. So I got through treatment, I got through treatment very well, minimal side effects from everything and just when you’re in for cancer treatment and you’re going weekly or biweekly for chemotherapy and then daily for radiation treatment you tend to bump into people that you’ve seen previously. So, we struck up… I struck up conversations with mostly women actually about it. And talked to women who couldn’t get through their treatment because they were too ill who were told to eat a particular way where I was doing something completely different.

0:02:02.2 Cathy Biase: And I just thought there’s got to be a better marriage of the two. A lot of people didn’t even know an integrative approach. We’re talking 2011, so 12 years ago and so when I got through my treatments, I decided at the age of 46 that I was going to… 46, 47 that I was going to go to school and become a nutritionist. And so I did without really wanting to get into the cancer space at all. In fact I didn’t want to get… That was in the foremost part of my mind that I was going to work with specialized disease. But I was going to stay away from the cancer space because it is a very tough space. It’s a tough space to be a patient of. And I have come to learn, it’s a very tough space to be a practitioner in. However many things just seemed to happen. It started off with one of my instructors saying, everyone’s here for a reason and your story can be so valuable to other people going through something similar, and I brushed that off. And then I was googling for something, it was on the internet looking for something, like a sofa, and up pops cancer nutrition coaching. And I’m like.

0:03:24.7 Lauri Wakefield: Wow.

0:03:24.8 Cathy Biase: Pardon.

0:03:25.0 Lauri Wakefield: Is that a sign.

0:03:25.2 Cathy Biase: What is this exactly right.

0:03:25.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:03:31.5 Cathy Biase: So being the person I was I kind of clicked on the link and sort of got into the research of that and I thought there were a couple of other things that sort of aligned. I thought, I guess this is sort of where I’m being led. So I took the program, I became a professional cancer coach, and as soon as I graduated from nutrition, I… This was, I guess… This was the real linchpin. My brother-in-law got very ill. Actually passed away from melanoma very quickly. But in the process, I set him up with a diet, nothing… And this is the way I’ve maintained it throughout my career. Nothing ridiculously difficult to be honest, just paying attention to certain macros, pulling out some things, adding some things in. And he went to see a naturopath and brought his list of supplements and his, that I had recommended. And, of course, supplements can or cannot be used. It’s all very individualistic. It’s… So I’m not saying yes or no to supplements, but in this case, he was on a few supplements that I recommended. And he went to a naturopath for some more integrative care. And the naturopath was opening a new clinic, a new cancer clinic, and saw the diet design interviewed me and I right out of graduating from nutrition school, started an integrative cancer clinic.

0:05:04.3 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:05:04.4 Cathy Biase: So and that’s where I am today because of COVID. The clinic did shut down. So the naturopath and I are in touch all the time. But we have sort of evolved into separate practices. So I now am not in clinic. I am… I do most of my I would say 95% of my consultation’s online. And that’s kind of where I am today in the business sense.

0:05:32.6 Lauri Wakefield: Right it’s funny, like when you were talking, okay. So before the call, we were explaining, ’cause you’re new to human design, so you don’t really know anything. But we were talking about like, because you’re a generator, so the way that a generator’s energy works is to respond to something. But that’s so funny like when you saw that ad and it’s like, wow, it’s a sign and it’s like you were ready to at least consider it. So yeah. That that was definitely a response. Yeah. So you and I met, actually, I reached out to you on LinkedIn ’cause I was diagnosed with breast cancer back in last October, so about a year ago. And went through the treatment and I’m past all that stuff now. But anyway, I reached out to you a couple months ago because I wanted to talk to somebody who could help me with just I don’t know if I would call it just diet, but just like what… Like how to get my body healthy physically. And not that I was unhealthy. I mean, I wasn’t eating like crappy food all the time, but I just knew that I could do better.

0:06:42.3 Lauri Wakefield: So yeah. And I mean, it’s… You’re amazing. I mean, as far as like your knowledge and just the amount of resources you provide, the explanations that you give and, just…

0:06:52.8 Cathy Biase: Thank you.

0:06:54.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. I mean, it was extremely helpful to me. So, yeah. I mean, I would definitely… And you don’t just do cancer coaching. I mean, you also do, like, you’re a nutritional consultant. You have… You want to talk about some of the other things that you offer.

0:07:10.5 Cathy Biase: Yeah. Well, I do… I seem to have by no, real design in complex disease. So things like diabetes, heart disease that’s sort of the path I go down. I have had… I stay away from the weight loss. I will help somebody for certain if they want to get into that space, but weight loss is not sort of been my forte. I’ve stayed with complex diseases. I’m very much focused on integrative health. I think probably Lauri and I say it to most people, is that nutrition is really only a piece of the puzzle. So you’ve got to get so many other things put into place before what you’re eating really has the impact that you want. So I talk very specifically about, the microbiome. It’s a centerpiece of what I do. I believe that it all starts with how our body terrain is laid out and cultivating. We talk about sleep, exercise, mindset. All of those things are so so important to help the nutrition be of value. I’m sure you know that if you’re anxious, your stomach gets upset, that, that just right there, that very simple connection that will impact your nutrition. That’s that you’re really in a state of stress when you’re doing that.

0:08:40.8 Cathy Biase: And so focusing on every aspect, very individualized if someone’s coming in and their head’s not in the right place, we may go to that space first. But I always relate it back to the gut in some way, shape, or form. But yeah, so that’s kind of my drive.

0:09:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So, but Leslee, you probably have some questions for her because you’ve gone through like working with different people in the natural healing field.

0:09:09.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. So I know they do link the microbiome a lot with the brain, so like your mental space. And something that I’ve been kind of diving into too is just recognizing the physical body being stressed just like different little traumas that lead to the body just always being under a stress state, which then affects your digestion, which like kind of what you’re saying, your mental fogginess, the… All that just how things are probably functioning within the body. So do you do anything like, is a mindful stuff like meditation or like how do you breathing or?

0:09:54.2 Cathy Biase: I’m very big into breath work.

0:09:56.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay.

0:09:56.2 Cathy Biase: I think breath work is very important. I use it myself. I use it at night time when I’m having trouble sleeping. I find that being an integrative practitioner too just allowing space and time for people to talk is also getting your foot in the door on the mindset piece. I think a lot of people just appreciate being heard. Especially if their symptoms are not being either addressed or they’re not being alleviated. But I’m not a therapist, I’m not a psychologist, so I do have referrals if it’s far too deep. But I do think they’re all intertwined. And I think when people understand that their emotions and stress have a physiological impact on their body raising blood sugar, impacting hormones. All those things I think it’s an easier pill to swallow when you can say, well if we adjust these, or if we focus a little bit on that, we can help all of the things that are going on. I don’t believe anything happens within our body. You can have an acute breaking of a leg of course, but we’re talking long-term things. It’s so interrelated, so many different things. You know physiology can cause as you said, brain fog can cause some mental issues but mental issues can cause physiological problems. And it is a back and forth. I think the more people are understanding of that, I think the better set they are to address their situations.

0:11:38.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. Yeah. And I find just women that are friends of mine or whatever raising children and we don’t realize because we’re in such in the mode of doing, we don’t realize how much stress we’re actually in because you’re just focused on everything running smoothly, getting everything done. The kids are good. They’re fed, the homework… And then I think when we get to 50s and they all leave. [laughter] And we’re… All of a sudden we’re kind of standing there and we’re like, oh my goodness. Like this has really taken an impact then different issues start coming forward. Yeah.

0:12:19.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. We have more time. Go ahead. Go ahead, Cathy.

0:12:21.7 Cathy Biase: Sorry. And you can’t tell somebody in their twenties and thirties that, unfortunately it’s prevention in any health space is the goal right?

0:12:33.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:12:34.2 Cathy Biase: But it’s just when you’re not thinking… You’ve got other priorities, it’s difficult and…

0:12:42.8 Lauri Wakefield: Exactly. Yeah.

0:12:43.8 Cathy Biase: You can’t beat beat your head against a wall for a long period of time before you realize that people. I would love to have a cancer prevention space for people that want to come in and what are the underlying things that can promote cancer. But it’s just not on their minds and I’m torn between that too because you don’t want to be thinking all the time of health. Right? If you don’t want to be, but you also want to have a good lifestyle in place. So maybe lifestyle.

0:13:19.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:13:21.7 Cathy Biase: Is the way we should be looking at it.

0:13:23.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:13:24.4 Cathy Biase: And then, but you know, as I think we talked before the show, I know we talked before the show wisdom is a very powerful thing and connection with your family, with your children and I’ve been through a health issue. So my kids are very aware, especially my daughters of prevention. And we’ve worked together on it and I’ve set them up with people because maybe if I had have known what I know now 12 years ago, who knows, right?

0:13:57.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:13:57.8 Cathy Biase: So but yeah, I’m not sure if I’ve kind of gone astray to what you’re asking.

0:14:03.1 Lauri Wakefield: No, no, no. I don’t think so. Yeah. I don’t think so. And I think too, like what I was going to say when I tried to interrupt you earlier is that it was had to do with what Leslee was talking about, how when we’re busy taking care of kids, it’s like our life is just like that that’s the mode that we’re in. It’s busy, busy, busy trying to take care of everything that needs… We need to take care of. Then when they grow up and they’re not in the home anymore, you have time, you have time to think about things and look at things and just kind of like take a deep breath. Like, oh my gosh. It’s like you know what I mean? Like, just like a cleansing breath, maybe, kind of just like and I don’t mean it in a bad way, but just like where all that stress that you had is not… It’s not there like it was anymore.

0:14:56.1 Cathy Biase: Different stressors as you…

0:14:56.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:14:57.0 Cathy Biase: As you transition into… But you know what as a… We’re talking from the female perspective raising kids is the number one priority for most mom, right?

0:15:05.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:15:06.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Right.

0:15:06.5 Cathy Biase: So you are focusing on what you feel is the priority in your life and that’s not wrong at all.

0:15:15.2 Lauri Wakefield: No, no, no.

0:15:15.5 Cathy Biase: You know, it really isn’t.

0:15:16.6 Lauri Wakefield: No, it’s not, it’s not. I mean there’s a lot that we gain by being that way, but then in the process too, we put our own needs sometimes on the back burner, you know?

0:15:26.1 Cathy Biase: Yes for sure.

0:15:26.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. So but anyway, you also offer some self-paced courses, right?

0:15:34.3 Cathy Biase: I do. Yes.

0:15:35.6 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah so when people go to your website they can see that too.

0:15:40.1 Cathy Biase: Yep. I have some eBooks I have… It’s focused more on the integrative cancer side, but I have a treatment detox program, but any detox is a detox. But this is for people that have come out of treatment. There’s a real gap for people when they finish their treatment, how to transition back into real life. For some people you’ve got the physical appearance of maybe of having lost your hair, and how you transition. For people who have not been through treatment and have not been through things like losing your hair wearing a wig. And then that decision to take that wig off is, it can be really traumatizing. It can be difficult. And just things like, how do I eat now? I’ve had… When you go through an illness, any illness for an extended period of time, and then you’re kind of released from care, you’ve had so much attention placed on you, you’ve had so many people’s hands sort of in your health pie. And then all of a sudden it’s, you’re done. Hopefully we don’t see you back again and there that space there can be extremely difficult to navigate.

0:17:02.2 Cathy Biase: So things like a treatment detox, what do I eat now? I don’t… And people have to be really careful. And this is where sometimes the expertise of working with somebody if you’ve been through a chemotherapy or radiation you can’t be aggressive with any type of a detox because you’ve still got toxins in your system from medications. And so I try… I really want to educate people and I really don’t… I love having clients come back to me, but my objective is to educate you so that you can start asking the right questions, come back if you can’t get the answers you want. But to be off on your own and navigating your own health space.

0:17:45.9 Lauri Wakefield: Right. To empower people basically.

0:17:48.2 Cathy Biase: Yes. Yes. And I think that that’s important. So most of the stuff that I offer is to that extent. I found that with my online cancer integrative program that people would rather speak with me. So I get many more calls to do the program directly with me. The cancer space is a difficult one.

0:18:06.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:18:07.2 Cathy Biase: There’s so many emotions that are being navigated. It’s challenging. It’s challenging for the person that is going through it. It’s challenging for their support system. So yeah. So it’s something that I try and you know take heed with and try and pay… Because I was a cancer patient. I can understand those emotions.

0:18:34.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Sure.

0:18:34.5 Cathy Biase: So I really try and be completely individualistic in my approach with people. But yeah, so on my website, there are a whole bunch of different things you can dive into.

0:18:44.2 Lauri Wakefield: So when you were talking about… Were you talking about branching into more preventative stuff without calling it preventative, but more like building and sustaining a healthy lifestyle, something like that?

0:19:00.2 Cathy Biase: That would be a dream. That would be… I think that would be any integrative practitioner dream is to build a preventative… I think it is coming a little bit more. I think people are understanding.

0:19:11.4 Lauri Wakefield: They are.

0:19:12.9 Cathy Biase: I think the new generation… The new generation, the younger generation.

0:19:16.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. [laughter]

0:19:17.2 Cathy Biase: I think that they’re not as stringent in their focus now, whether that pans out or not, I had one person say that she wasn’t going to live a linear life, a younger person… And I did not know what that meant, and she said, “I’m not going to school. University, getting married, having children. That’s not what I want. I want to be out, I want to travel, I want to go where life takes me”. I mean that has its advantages, but it could possibly have its downside, that remains to be seen, but I do think probably with the advent of the internet that people are… Especially because a lot of people are getting sick now, we see the number of people that are getting ill, so we may, just out of that, an awareness, lifestyle changes may be happening without me really taking too much notice of it.

0:20:10.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, yeah, I would think that would be something that would draw people where you’re not saying preventative because preventative means like you want to… Has a different.

0:20:19.1 Cathy Biase: Yeah.

0:20:20.5 Lauri Wakefield: A different feeling to it.

0:20:20.6 Cathy Biase: It does, it does.

0:20:24.4 Lauri Wakefield: But just building a healthy lifestyle or just whatever. I would think it would be something, especially people who… Maybe people who are old, maybe 40 and older that would be…

0:20:39.5 Cathy Biase: Yeah who have the time now.

0:20:40.0 Lauri Wakefield: More drawn to it. Yeah.

0:20:41.9 Cathy Biase: Have the time. One of the big things that I’m really promoting with the people that I work with now is developing lean muscle mass.

0:20:51.3 Lauri Wakefield: Oh yeah.

0:20:52.2 Cathy Biase: That’s a big thing now. And that’s always something that I have been interested in, but I interested… I’ve always exercised, but I’ve really changed my exercise habits, I’ve change my eating habits to some extent because I’m in my 50s and I want… I’ve had a serious disease and I hope to still live a long life.

0:21:17.2 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:21:18.3 Cathy Biase: And so all of these things are important, but let’s face it, prevention and lifestyle are the same thing, I can talk to somebody sitting in front of me with cancer about how to go down a prevention path, and I could talk to a different person sitting in front of me and go over the same things, how to sleep well, how you should be exercising, things like that, so it’s the same details…

0:21:42.7 Lauri Wakefield: Just different words.

0:21:43.4 Cathy Biase: In a different conversation.

0:21:44.0 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:21:44.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:21:45.8 Lauri Wakefield: Just different words. Yeah, so when you’re talking about building lean muscle mass, are you talking about increasing protein intake and as part of it, probably?

0:21:56.3 Cathy Biase: Well, it can be. Again, it’s all very individualized. Right now, if you remember back 25, 30 years ago, fat was removed from the diet in place of carbohydrates, now carbohydrates were the demoned, and now protein has come to save the day. I think there’s a balance.

0:22:15.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yes.

0:22:16.3 Cathy Biase: So you’ll get… Again, looking on the internet, you’ll get some people that want you to have a gram of protein per pound, some it’s a gram of protein per kilogram, it changes… It’s very individualized. Some people handle protein very well, some people don’t handle protein really well, some people need far more than they realize that was sort of the camp I’m in. So it is, you want your basic amount and I think if you do a quick search, a guideline is sort of a 30, 30, 30, but again, if you’re a tiny person, you may need less if you’re a bigger person, if you exercise far more, but I’m more concerned with exercise…

0:23:00.5 Lauri Wakefield: Okay.

0:23:02.4 Cathy Biase: And weight lifting and proper movement, you want to be able to move well into your 70s and 80s.

0:23:08.6 Lauri Wakefield: Right.

0:23:09.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Exactly.

0:23:09.6 Cathy Biase: And eating protein won’t do that, that’ll help with… But you’ve got to stress the muscles in order for the protein to be needed to rebuild the muscle. So I’m very much focused on educating people on the value of exercise strength training in particular, and this is not new, if you’re doing any sort of research now in the integrative space, it’s something I’ve been championing for a while, but it’s all there, it’s very, very prominent now in the integrative health space, is the importance, because lean muscle mass is very important, not just structurally, it’s very important for body signaling, if you don’t have a good posture, if you don’t have good muscle structure, you know that neural chain can’t respond well, and that’s what sends out all the information and also it’s… Lean muscle mass is the real basis of your immune system, you got your microbiome. You got your lean muscle mass. It’s all very important. It’s all very, very important.

0:24:11.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, interconnected. Yeah so… Now I just lost my train of thought. Did you want to say anything else Leslee ask her any other questions?

0:24:20.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Well, it’s just, it’s fascinating, like my train of thought too around the exercise, so in my 30s, I was a runner and now it’s like my hips are so tight and it’s all about just mobility and maintaining the physical activity without overdoing it, that increases inflammation or… It’s just a balance, it’s a constant re-evaluating where you’re at, where you die is at, what your exercise program is. Doing too much, it feels like this, and not doing enough, feels like that, where in the middle am I going to be able to kind of maintain, and like you’re saying, it’s about movement into my 80s, 90s and to be able to have that in mind, like watching my mom who’s in her 80s struggle getting out of a chair. I’m like okay, so just getting.

0:25:16.4 Lauri Wakefield: I don’t want to be like that.

0:25:17.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, no up and down. Just that moment of, “Can I get up and down?” Or getting off the floor or you know, just these simple.

0:25:25.5 Cathy Biase: Or balance too, balance is another one.

0:25:27.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah everyday just I don’t want to say survival. But everyday mobility to be able to. Yeah.

0:25:35.2 Lauri Wakefield: And it’s interesting too, I was like ’cause your mom’s sisters who are actually older than she is, like they walk around, move around like they’re… Like there’s no tomorrow.

0:25:44.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Right, yeah.

0:25:44.5 Cathy Biase: And you know what, you’re right, it does, exercise transitions. I was a runner too, and I in my hip my left hip as well, I knew it was running, but I thought of running is life, so I would pound through the running, and then when I got breast cancer diagnosis, I continued to exercise, I continued to run to lift weights, but I started… That was my transition into more weight lifting. And then I’m presently hooked up with somebody who is a movement specialist, but she’s also an Olympic weightlifter, so I do Olympic weight lifting, but she’s very much into movement Hygiene, movement physiology. So if I’m doing something wrong in a lift, “Stop, do this, do that, we need to strengthen this area”. And since I have started with her, my hip pain has been non-existent, just dropped. She had… I’ve been balanced, she’s taught me particular stretches, and it just… It’s really been quite a journey working with someone who really understands strength training and mobility.

0:27:02.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:27:02.4 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:27:02.9 Leslee Wegleitner: It does make a big difference.

0:27:04.2 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, I was going to ask you to… Kind of off the subject of that, but do you think massage is also good for…

0:27:11.4 Cathy Biase: Absolutely.

0:27:11.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:27:12.9 Cathy Biase: Massage is great for releasing the toxins for getting… Especially if you do the fascia massage.

0:27:18.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah that’s what I was going to say the fascia.

0:27:19.2 Cathy Biase: That’s soo important. Fascia is the… That’ll be a new thing. It’s not new, but this will be I think.

0:27:26.3 Lauri Wakefield: More awareness.

0:27:27.0 Cathy Biase: Yes. The fascia in and of itself, the surgeons, when they were doing their… I have a show that I was interviewing one of the top fascia doctors, and he was saying when surgeons were doing their autopsies, they just peel off… It’s like a saran wrap, they just peel off that sheathing and really get rid of it, not even examining… And someone started examining it and the intricacies of the fascia and what it does too, is so the depth and breadth of that, I don’t think we fully understand right now either, but yeah, fascia, just the mobility, again, of the different types of massages, I think is really important.

0:28:11.7 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah I went to a massage therapist who was really educated with the fascia and just other things, I mean, while she was doing the massage, I was asking her a bunch of questions and… But yeah, it’s super interesting she kind of described it as a net over your internal body and where it just keeps everything in, but it can get twisted and just different things that can cause issues. But yeah, it’s really interesting.

0:28:44.4 Leslee Wegleitner: So there’s a… Have you heard of block therapy?

0:28:47.7 Cathy Biase: No, I haven’t.

0:28:49.5 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s a woman that deals with the fascia and you have these wooden blocks and she takes you through these series, and you can do it at home.

0:28:56.7 Cathy Biase: Oh block therapy. Sorry block therapy. I have blocks.

0:29:00.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yes I do too. I’ve been doing it for like four years. I’m just obsessed. Every day I get on my blocks.

0:29:05.1 Lauri Wakefield: I have to look at that.

0:29:08.0 Leslee Wegleitner: It hurts. Yes, it’s not breathe. Like she says, “Just breathe”. But it’s amazing, it’s just it’s really amazing. And then how the other areas will get triggered, you’re working on your calves and then I’ll start feeling the effects on shoulders.

0:29:23.6 Lauri Wakefield: So what is it. Yeah what is it though?

0:29:26.4 Leslee Wegleitner: It’s just blocks that you are positioning in different areas on the body that you’re laying on and then that releases the fascia.

0:29:35.3 Cathy Biase: Yeah.

0:29:36.0 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, yeah.

0:29:37.2 Leslee Wegleitner: So…

0:29:37.9 Cathy Biase: It’s like. You maybe are familiar with rolling a ball up and down your back…

0:29:41.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:29:41.8 Cathy Biase: Almost like pressure points, and instead of rolling over it, you just lie on them and eventually they break up.

0:29:48.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:29:51.9 Cathy Biase: But it’s getting to that point is dedication.

0:29:53.9 Leslee Wegleitner: It is… And it’s never ending.

0:29:56.5 Lauri Wakefield: Why am I doing this.

0:30:00.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Never ending. It’s like, like I said, I’ve been doing it, well, she’s been doing it for 20 years. And she talks about, she still has areas. So yeah, it’s fascinating.

0:30:09.6 Lauri Wakefield: So I know that you have something that you need to get to Cathy. So, people can find out more about you on your website, you want to give them your web address and what page they can go to or just the home page.

0:30:23.0 Cathy Biase: Yeah, just go to the home page. You can navigate from there. It’s cathybiase.com.

0:30:28.0 Lauri Wakefield: Okay, so that’s C-A-T-H-Y-B-I-A-S-E.com.

0:30:32.9 Cathy Biase: Correct.

0:30:34.1 Lauri Wakefield: So yeah, so thank you so much for sharing all your knowledge and wisdom with us. It was super, super interesting. So yeah.

0:30:42.1 Cathy Biase: My pleasure, thank you for having me.

0:30:44.4 Lauri Wakefield: So Leslee did you have anything you wanted to add before we.

0:30:46.6 Leslee Wegleitner: No.

0:30:47.4 Lauri Wakefield: End the call. Okay, that’ll wrap things up then for this episode, thanks so much for joining us today in our next episode, we’ve invited a Human Design Manifestor to share her journey as a manifestor. If you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast, you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under podcast episode 45, if you’d like to continue… If you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into topics about human design and other complementary modalities, please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:31:25.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks, everyone.