0:00:00.6 Lauri Wakefield: Welcome. Thanks for joining us today. I’m Lauri.

0:00:03.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Hi everyone. I’m Leslee.

0:00:05.6 Lauri Wakefield: So we’re starting a new series today and it’s called The Roles We’re Here to Play. Before we get into that I just wanted to mention something that Leslee and I’ve been planning to do for a little while. But we haven’t done it yet. So we publish our podcast episodes biweekly. So we have built into that where we’re gonna have occasional interviews that we do with other people. So when we do that we’re gonna drop them in between the biweekly publishing. But like I said it’s gonna be something that’ll be occasional. And we’re going entitle those Beyond HD which is part of the podcast name which is Human Design and Beyond. So anyway that’ll be exciting huh, Leslee?

0:00:58.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah I’m looking forward to that.

0:01:00.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah and we’re actually, actually actually, we talked about this. I’m gonna interview Leslee [laughter] Woo. Yeah. ‘Cause Leslee does something that’s totally fascinating, something that she’s, it’s just a gift that she has and something like I can’t really relate to because it’s not something I have. But it’s fascinating. So I have some questions I’ll be asking her and then we’ll just kind of off the cuff, huh?

0:01:30.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah pretty much. Yeah.

0:01:31.9 Lauri Wakefield: Do you wanna say what it is or should we wait? Should we wait to the.

0:01:35.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Oh Let’s wait.

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0:01:37.1 Lauri Wakefield: Alrighty, all right. So anyway so we’re gonna do the, we’re gonna start the series and we’re gonna do an introduction today to the Profiles because that’s what this series is about. It’s about the Profiles and I’m gonna give a little bit of an intro to them as far as like what it is and just basic information about it. And then we’re going to go into the actual lines and Leslee’s gonna talk, well you’re gonna, well actually we’re gonna go into something else before the lines. We’re gonna go into their right angle left angle and juxtaposition Profiles. So Leslee’s gonna do that and then we’ll go through the lines. Leslee’s gonna do the lower trigram and I’m gonna do the upper trigram. So anyway so I guess we’re ready to get started huh?

0:02:29.8 Leslee Wegleitner: Sure.

0:02:32.2 Lauri Wakefield: So what is the Profile? If you know anything about human design it’s something that you’re probably already familiar with but if you’re not the Profile is basically it’s the role that we’re here to play. It’s something that helps define our purpose. And in an individual level it’s something that you grow into but it’s something like you can’t fulfill that purpose if you’re not living according to your strategy and authority, because when you’re not following your strategy and authority you’re prone to conditioning and it makes you think and act in ways that are very different from your true nature. So the role you’re here to play it can’t really be fully expressed unless you’re living in alignment with your human design.

0:03:17.6 Lauri Wakefield: You know the way that you were created. So that means that the role that you’re here to play gets blocked. So the Profile is determined by when you look at a human design body graph like if you look at your own there’s a left side and a right side. The left side or the left side is called the design side. And then the right side is called the personality side. So your Profiles are based on basically okay so you’ve got the first number in the Profile is gonna come from the personality side. And you’ve got your sun and your earth. Those are the first two planets that are listed in there. And they’re gonna be the same for the sun and the earth.

0:04:07.8 Lauri Wakefield: And then the second line is gonna be on the design side. It’s the sun and earth the line for the design side. So you’ve got the those two numbers. And then like what happens with that is that you’ve got kind of like there are like two competing archetypes that are trying, throughout your life it’s like you’re trying to I don’t know if I would say necessarily merge them but you’re trying to coexist with them ’cause they can have very different attributes or themes or characteristics that can be complicated sometimes. So every Profile like okay so you’ve got your sun and your earth on both sides. And the sun and the earth are gonna be they’re gonna be in different gates. So following those gate numbers it would be like for me mine would be like a 61.4 you’ll see a 61.4.

0:05:06.2 Lauri Wakefield: So the four is the first part of the Profile. So what happens too with Profiles is that depending on your human design type it can be expressed differently. And also like the gate that it’s in can make it come out differently. So when we look at other people and we think everybody’s like well wouldn’t you know certain things with human design wouldn’t everybody be the same? And there’s a lot of differentiation with those different things that I just talked about. So the Profile itself is gonna be expressed the way that it’s intended to be expressed when you’re living according to your strategy and authority. And then what was I gonna say? I had something else I was gonna say about how I, I just lost my train of thought. Well anyway let’s talk about the right angle, left angle and juxtaposition. Okay? So there are seven right angle Profiles and there are four left angle Profiles and then there’s one juxtaposition. So Leslee do you wanna talk about that and then we’ll get into the lines.

0:06:29.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay. That sounds good. So like Lauri just said, there’s three angles that make up the 12 different human design Profiles. And there’s some words that people have interchanged with them. So like the right angle cross, sometimes called personal destiny, juxtaposition is sometime referred to as fate. And then the left angle is referred to as a transpersonal karma. So I’m gonna just stick with the right, the left and the juxtaposition, but I just wanted to point that out. So the right and left angles are complete polarities of each other, but and the juxtaposition is the bridge connecting of the two, the right and the left. So the right angle Profiles sometime, is the first number. The first number will always be lower than the second number.

0:07:26.9 Leslee Wegleitner: So in other words, an example is like 1/3, 1/4, and like Lauri said, there’s a total of seven of those right angle Profiles. So if you have one of these Profiles, your being or your essence limits the importance of your interaction with others. In other words, your destiny is not fully determined by others. So in the right angles, are more of the like research and development, and is really essential for humanity. There is, where the beauty of what life can be lived in its all possibilities. The gift that they bring is to explore these new areas of life. And you’re really here to discover and live out your unique personality. So a lot of times the right angle Profiles really have a difficult time within their family life and is through these Profiles that experimentation of their journey really brings into the experiences for everyone to grow and learn from.

0:08:30.4 Lauri Wakefield: Hey, Leslee.

0:08:33.0 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:08:34.6 Lauri Wakefield: I didn’t mean to interrupt you, but I was gonna say like, when you’re finished before we actually get into the lines, can I say what I was gonna say?

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0:08:40.1 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, you remembered. Yeah, no, that’s perfect.

0:08:42.4 Lauri Wakefield: Are you still talking about the upper and or the.

0:08:45.9 Leslee Wegleitner: The right angle yeah. So the purpose of the right angle is to awaken to and live out their truth, and it’s about living as self to experience all the potentials of being you. So that’s kind of a umbrella on that one. So the juxtaposition, which is the bridge between the right and left angle, like I had mentioned. And they’re about having a fixed fate and the Profile that, there’s only one Profile and it’s a 4/1, and this Profile is really born with a fixed fate and a certain life to fulfill within that. So they’re really not designed to be altered and their processes of one is, let’s see, it is two different, kinds of, their geometry, sorry, I just lost my train of thought.

0:09:40.2 Lauri Wakefield: No that’s okay. Are you talking about the 4/1 or are you talking…

0:09:44.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, so the 4/1 they’re here to really weave the right and the left angles together. And they’re doing this with a very specific path through life that they’re directly designed to walk.

0:09:57.6 Lauri Wakefield: It’s fixed. Yeah it’s a fixed.

0:09:58.6 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah, it’s pretty fascinating. I only know of one in my life, but definitely she’s definitely walking [laughter] that path. She doesn’t waiver. So they really have a strong theme of brotherhood, sisterhood in their life. And they’re here to investigate a foundation of information, creating a solid ground of secure knowledge, and then within that innate ability to externalize that knowledge in order to influence their close network of people. And their key is to invest their time and energy, and acquire opportunities through correct relationships. So when they’re in alignment, they will be rewarded through these relationships and they’re here to figure out how to reach out to others and influence with the knowledge that they’ve gained and that will fulfill their fixed fate. So the left…

0:10:50.9 Lauri Wakefield: Go ahead.

0:10:53.7 Leslee Wegleitner: So the left angle Profile, the first number will always be larger than the second number, so like a 5/1, 5/2. And like Lauri said, there’s four of those Profiles and they have the potential to alter other people’s movement through life as well as their own movement through the interactions with others. So everyone that they meet, they have like a karmic connection and they will have a value for the person, their interaction will have a familiarity and they’ll have a role to play in that person’s life. So it’s simple as giving. So it could be as simple as giving directions or having a conversation or actually life altering transformation when a left angle is in your life. Their life’s possibilities and potentials arise from the connection with others the moment that they’re born.

0:11:51.0 Leslee Wegleitner: So correct decision making is really imperative for them to belong in to really belong into their life and pay attention to the right beings, brings that special reward or their process. So it’s really important for them to be living in that strategy and authority to identify the right people and the right places to be. And so with that, like the left angle Profile with the fifth line personality, like a 5/1 or a 5/2 is really here to universalize what is practical. And the six line Profile, like a 6/2 6/3 really verifies and exemplifies it is a role model being it to the next hexagram. So they’re transitioning already into that next hexagram. And they really bear the responsibility of transforming the discoveries of the right angle into knowledge that can be of value to others. And that’s really fascinating to me. I do have some left angle Profiles in my world. And I really do see that if they’re living out their strategy and how they can really benefit me being a part of my life. So. So go ahead. Do you wanna add in what you…

0:13:10.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Okay. So what you were just talking about has to do with the actual Profile. So just to get back to the line so when I was looking at… When I was getting my notes together I was trying to like, I always dig deep into stuff [laughter] I do, but anyways, so each line represents a different archetype. So I looked up, okay, archetype. Okay, what’s the definition of an archetype? So an archetype is a perfect example or model of something. So it’s like… So the archetype for Profiles, it’s like the character, the role that we’re here to play but it has to do with like, for each archetype, there are specific actions or behaviors or tendencies or nuances and characteristics associated with each one. And they’re very different. So an archetype is the, yeah, I already said that. The model image of a person in a specific role. So anyway, I thought that was kind of interesting.

0:14:15.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. It’s a good word to describe it.

0:14:19.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Yeah. ’cause when I hear archetype, you know like the, what is it? The 12 archetypes, like for marketing, for like, for people [laughter] who are like entrepreneurs or have their own business. The 12 archetypes is, it has nothing to do with human design, but I’m just saying that’s like archetype. So.

0:14:40.2 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah.

0:14:40.4 Lauri Wakefield: So anyway, you wanna start talking about the lines in the Lower trigram.

0:14:49.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Sure. So the lower Trigram is an interpersonal experience for the self. So because of this dynamic of being so interpersonal, it makes it even more important that they really enter into relationships correctly, and that they really don’t grasp why that other person is in their life [laughter] which I know a lot of 1/3s and that’s so perfect. That is why the first and second and the third line personalities do a little bit more difficult process in relationships because they’re so you know more about self and experience what self is is going on. So the lower trigram personalities are more internalized and mainly here to work on self. So they need to be clear about who they are before they enter into their relationship. So line one the archetype would be the investigator and it tends to be constantly be researching, investigating and really seeking that solid foundation of information in order to feel secure and confident.

0:15:57.6 Leslee Wegleitner: And line two, the archetype is the hermit and it tends to be introverted, sometimes antisocial and needs alone time. And it is also on naturally talented and awaits for the right call to come out and share their gifts with everyone. Line three is the martyr archetype, and that tends to live life through a trial and error process. And it loves to experiment and dive into things despite what others may say so they can come to their own truth and conclusions. So that wraps up the lower Trigram. Just an overview. Do you wanna go into the upper.

0:16:34.3 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. Before we get on the call. I guess I didn’t get my notes together ’cause I thought you were gonna do the overview of the lower and the upper trigram. But anyway, so I’ll just give a brief just a brief introduction about what the upper trigram is. The upper trigram is, it’s [laughter] focused outwardly. That’s it. Just kidding. But they like to share with others. It’s a very different, it’s externalizing rather than internalizing. So it’s just, it’s expressed differently the line four is the first line in the upper trigram and line four, the keyword for that is opportunist. So Leslee and I both have line four on the personality side. So it’s something that we might like towards the end of the call, maybe give a little bit of a… You know, share a little bit about our experience with it. But anyway, the line four people, they tend to be friendly. Like they’ll just, I don’t know. They’ll go up. Like I know for myself [laughter] I don’t have a problem going up and talking to people and I like people, I like being around people and I enjoy conversing with people. So that’s definitely… I mean, do you find that true of yourself also, Leslee? I never, yeah.

0:18:00.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. But yeah, sometimes not, but yeah, I’m a lot of individuality though too, so.

0:18:06.5 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah, that’s true.

0:18:07.0 Leslee Wegleitner: I have to be in the right mood. [laughter]

0:18:08.9 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah. But yeah, I was gonna say too, in addition, to being friendly, on the other side of that is the people, line four people can get burned out with people. So they definitely need time to recharge and refresh after, being around people for a long period of time. Line four is also very much about networks, networks of people. So people with Line four in their Profile, they’re gonna find opportunities from people within their network and their network is gonna be people, basically people who know them. It’s not really casual acquaintances. So they’re gonna get the best and the most rewarding opportunities from their network and not from strangers or people that they’re just casually connected to.

0:18:58.2 Lauri Wakefield: So line five is the keyword for that is heretic. That sounds so mean doesn’t it? Heretic.

0:19:05.1 Leslee Wegleitner: I know.

0:19:06.1 Lauri Wakefield: Isn’t it? It’s such an… Oh gosh. Anyway their archetype is one of the characteristics is like projection. So they’re projected upon by other people but they’re also… They can also project on other people. Like I know like I’ve experienced that with with line five people. The two that are pretty close people in my life but… But anyway so with line five people there’s a projection field that surrounds them. The energy it’s kind of like a crisis oriented so like other people like if there’s a crisis other people will look to line five people to like to get out of the crisis you know to solve things, to solve the problem, to you know restore like peace from chaos or whatever. But like people will project onto them and it’s not because of anything the line five person does but people will project onto them that they can fix things, they can… Like even things that seem impossible. So there’s a tendency there for people to like and it’s all on an unconscious level but to project onto them like make them into people that they’re not. The Line five person make them into someone they’re not and then they have those expectations of them and then the line five person might not meet the expectation then they’re disappointed with them.

0:20:32.4 Lauri Wakefield: So you know the line, [laughter] the line five person kind of has a hard time sometimes with you know just unfair expectations. And it isn’t their fault. But for that reason they can kind of like shy away from people sometimes because they don’t wanna disappoint them because of the other person’s like preconceived idea of who they are and what they can do. So for the Line five person it’s important for them to be aware of their own capabilities and limitations with solving problems and finding solutions. And they should also be aware that they can have a tendency of themselves to project on to other people. So line six Leslee and I both have line six in our Profile. So we’re 4/6 Profiles. Interesting. Right. So the the keyword for line six is role model and this line is very different from the other five lines because people who have the sixth line in their Profile they go through three distinct phases in their life which lead them to be like lead to them being considered like a role model for others. Because by the time they get to the you know the third phase. I’ll get into that in a minute but by the time they get to the third phase like they emerge as something… As more complete as somebody who’s a role model to other people. So one of the things that… Like optimism is one of the characteristics for line six people but it’s not experienced during all three phases.

0:22:02.7 Lauri Wakefield: The first phase is from birth up to about the age of 30. And they experience life like someone who has a third line in their Profile but not to the same extent because it’s just a phase. It’s something that doesn’t last during their lifetime which you know it’s a phase. So during the second phase from the age of 32 by the age of 50 they go through what’s known… What’s often like referred to as being on the roof. And this is a time where they kind of like withdraw and they’re more aloof towards people. And it can also be a time like where they’re pessimistic you know and maybe sometimes even a little bit depressed you know which is it’s not really like ’cause optimism is part of the sixth line but during the second phase it’s… That’s kind of I don’t know it’s like a processing stage.

0:22:58.7 Lauri Wakefield: It’s like a you know trying to like sift through things you know? ’cause like the first 30 years because of their third line like they you know they can experiment with things or like have experiences like a third line person but it’s not like really who they are. So it’s just… It’s kind of like letting that part you know that part of, I wouldn’t say let it go but it’s kind of like separating like who they are from who who they’re not. And I’m not saying like you know that they have did bad things like through the age of 30 but there’s more experimentation that goes on and it’s kind of… It can be out of character for who they really are. So anyway there’s a lot of soul searching that goes on during the second phase. And then the third phase usually begins at about the age of 50. It’s when they come down off the roof and they usually emerge as someone who seems to kind of have it together. They have a stronger sense of who they are and who they’re not. And authenticity and optimism characterize the third phase. So I think that’s probably all I have to share. Leslee I don’t know if you wanted to talk you know about or if we can talk about the you know the 4/6 when we actually get to their Profile or I don’t know what you…

0:24:15.3 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah I was just gonna do a really quick like how the different nuances really do play such a big role because me and Lauri are both 4/6 manifesting generators and emotional authority. But like she had brought up the difference is you know I have a lot of individual circuitry so that kind of pulls me into and I’m a triple split. And so that kind of tends to make me a little bit more isolated or a little bit more I don’t wanna say I’m not friendly ’cause I’m friendly but it’s I’m more selective maybe is the word. Like if I’m out and about I just don’t talk to everybody. I’m just…

0:24:58.9 Lauri Wakefield: Right, right.

0:25:00.2 Leslee Wegleitner: But you’re a little more tribal. I think you’re easier to engage and socialize. I could be totally wrong. I’m just there… We’re there again you know even though so many things are similar there’s those other nuances that kind of pull in that really do differentiate us. So it’s kind of fun to when you’re kind of doing that investigative or finding you know those nuances for self of how they do look different or show up different.

0:25:28.7 Lauri Wakefield: Definitely. Definitely. And the gates that they’re that you know the gate that the line’s in definitely is gonna make it different too for everybody.

0:25:38.5 Leslee Wegleitner: All plays a role.

0:25:40.1 Lauri Wakefield: Yep.

0:25:40.5 Leslee Wegleitner: Yeah. So that’s all I was gonna add.

0:25:43.4 Lauri Wakefield: Okay. So I think that’ll wrap things up for this episode. Do you think so?

0:25:47.8 Lauri Wakefield: Yeah.

0:25:48.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Okay. Thanks so much for joining us today. In our next episode in The Roles We’re Here to Play series We’ll discuss the the 1/3 Profile. If you’d like to see the show notes for today’s podcast you can find them on our website at www.alignandachievebydesign.com. The show notes will be listed under podcast episode 26. That marks the the one year point Leslee.

0:26:15.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Wow.

0:26:16.5 Lauri Wakefield: Anyway if you’d like to join us as we continue our exploration into the Profile series please be sure to subscribe to our podcast. Thanks again and have a great day.

0:26:26.4 Leslee Wegleitner: Thanks everyone.